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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 22:12:58 GMT
Let's just see if Saving Stream can fully fund the £25 million pipe line over the next few weeks before we start changing how the secondary market works.
I've got a feeling we will be seeing lots of complaints soon about people holding loan parts which they can't sell.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 17, 2016 22:16:15 GMT
I think you are confusing platforms. This is SS not AC. No fractions of pennies here. Sorry. Make that either pennies, or fractions of pounds, Actually apparently there are fractions of pennies. Tried to sell part of a loan today and it kept auto resetting the final digit down by one. When I finally gave up trying to change it and executed, it asked if I wanted to sell x.9999999999998. Then had to go back in and sell a penny to clear funding defecit. Odd thing was I wasnt trying to sell my whole holdiing
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Post by solicitorious on Feb 17, 2016 22:18:37 GMT
They're not risking anything, with a minimal, easily adjustable/removable tweak. No more than they risk anything by tweaking the PM. What they are risking is increasing negative energy/negative vibes surrounding the platform, after an extraordinarily good year for everyone. That is worth something. Take a look a TrustPilot. There has to be a positive way forward, just as there was with the PM. Repetitive scaremongering, and empty rhetoric does not get us further forward. It's not scaremongering; it's just my (any many other people's) honest opinion, which just happens to be different to your own. And what empty rhetoric do you mean; I thought we were having a healthy grown up argument ! I just can't understand why you're in such a hurry to invest your money; why can't you just wait for the PM? I'm in no hurry, having accumulated six figures worth of well-diversified parts over the last 12 months. I have no dog in this fight. I think we know your position by now. No change at all, never... never... never... lest the sky might fall in. No reasoning, or theory behind it, though. There really is no need to repeat yourself. I would be interested in others' opinions.
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 17, 2016 22:23:53 GMT
It's not scaremongering; it's just my (any many other people's) honest opinion, which just happens to be different to your own. And what empty rhetoric do you mean; I thought we were having a healthy grown up argument ! I just can't understand why you're in such a hurry to invest your money; why can't you just wait for the PM? I'm in no hurry, having accumulated six figures worth of well-diversified parts over the last 12 months. I have no dog in this fight. I think we know your position by now. No change at all, never... never... never... lest the sky might fall in. No reasoning, or theory behind it, though. There really is no need to repeat yourself. I would be interested in others' opinions. I have my opinion that's all, but I do also respect yours. No hard feelings I hope; I'm happy to agree to disagree .
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Post by solicitorious on Feb 17, 2016 22:25:51 GMT
I'm in no hurry, having accumulated six figures worth of well-diversified parts over the last 12 months. I have no dog in this fight. I think we know your position by now. No change at all, never... never... never... lest the sky might fall in. No reasoning, or theory behind it, though. There really is no need to repeat yourself. I would be interested in others' opinions. I have my opinion that's all, but I do also respect yours. No hard feelings I hope; I'm happy to agree to disagree . OK, let's both apply a self-denying ordinance to allow others to chip in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 22:26:01 GMT
It's not scaremongering; it's just my (any many other people's) honest opinion, which just happens to be different to your own. And what empty rhetoric do you mean; I thought we were having a healthy grown up argument ! I just can't understand why you're in such a hurry to invest your money; why can't you just wait for the PM? I'm in no hurry, having accumulated six figures worth of well-diversified parts over the last 12 months. I have no dog in this fight. I think we know your position by now. No change at all, never... never... never... lest the sky might fall in. No reasoning, or theory behind it, though. There really is no need to repeat yourself. I would be interested in others' opinions. Interested in others opinion's, I don't think so ... unless they agree with you of course
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 17, 2016 22:28:04 GMT
I have my opinion that's all, but I do also respect yours. No hard feelings I hope; I'm happy to agree to disagree . OK, let's both apply a self-denying ordinance to allow others to chip in. I had to look it up first.... but that's a deal
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Post by registerme on Feb 17, 2016 23:01:11 GMT
I like SS as a platform, and I like the product. My main interest is in its long term sustainability so that I can contribute to it and benefit from it. I understand their emphasis on KISS (for instance I have little sympathy with the recent negative reviews on TrustPilot), but I think that, along with deal flow, the SM as it is currently implemented, is one significant platform weakness. I'm over-simplifying, but you can run a lending business with £5m of loans and 500 lenders on a spreadsheet. You can't run a £100m lending business with 10,000 lenders on a spreadsheet. At some point the KISS principle will have to sit down and have a frank discussion with reality. To be long term sustainable the SM needs to be effective and equitable. At the moment it is not. There are ways that it could be more so, but it will require investment by SS, and may disadvantage some current investors. I think that's a trade worth doing, but it's not up to me . Whether held by SS, or by lenders, the view that the "SM is only for selling" is naive. For every seller there needs to be a buyer ( cooling_dude, don't forget that it wasn't that long ago that you were quite happy that you'd managed to get £48k invested on the platform via the SM ). Personally speaking I have targets for loans. The last few days have seen me not meet those targets in the PM (because I am not willing to overfund). Neither have I been able to effectively invest repayments / interest in the SM, largely because of the current implementation. Up to a point I'm ok with that, but it does mean that I am effectively withdrawing funds from the platform. As contrarian indicated, this may change over the next month or two as the pipeline comes to fruition, I hope so. Similarly changes to the way the PM works would help eg bottom up for all loans, but I accept that this may negatively impact "big hitters". Interestingly, months ago I had an email chat with SS because I was contemplating significantly increasing my investment. It went well, and I decided to do so. I was planning to increase it fivefold. Now I fully accept that it would be stupid to expect this to happen overnight, but the fact that my investment, instead of increasing, has actually decreased is.... telling. Put it down to deal flow, increased numbers of lenders, some loans I didn't like, and SM shenanigans. Pre-funding has improved, and will hopefully continue to improve. Bots have been eliminated (even if people taking advantage of SM mechanisms hasn't). Deal flow is looking up. So I haven't given up, and will continue to invest via the PM, but those defending the status quo should understand that frustrations are real, and rational.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 17, 2016 23:27:39 GMT
Actually apparently there are fractions of pennies. There'd better be, given the number of loans I've got 1p stakes in. I will not be bilked out of the interest on that, I tell you.
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 18, 2016 4:39:31 GMT
I just can't understand why you're in such a hurry to invest your money; why can't you just wait for the PM? What about people who would like to have a relatively even spread of loans in their portfolio? If they limit themselves to the PM, then they will get a relatively small amount of sub-£1M loans and no chance of increasing that. For larger loans, they can't predict how much they might receive from their pre-funding, so they either just put in a slightly inflated request and hope they get what they want, or they put in a grossly inflated request and plan to sell off the excess if the SM will take it from them. IMHO they'd be a lot better off -- and probably willing to invest more at SS -- if they had a chance of rebalancing their portfolio via the SM. And for those who keep saying that the main purpose of the SM is to allow a quick exit... Aren't you forgetting that there are two sides to every transaction? One side is selling so that they can get their money back. But the other side must, by definition, be buying because they're trying either to increase their investment or to rebalance their portfolio. Since there must be as many £££ changing hands buying as selling, the SM must be fulfilling both purposes. In shifting to bottom-up allocations for smaller loans, SS have tried to make the PM allocations 'fairer'. The next logical step, ISTM, would be to try to make the SM fairer as well. Changing the PM allocation method had no obvious impact of SS's ability to fund loans. IMHO, there's no reason to believe that a shift in SM allocation away from fastest finger first, winner takes all, would have any significant impact on sellers' ability to exit loans quickly.
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Post by ablender on Feb 18, 2016 6:31:56 GMT
Sorry. Make that either pennies, or fractions of pounds, Actually apparently there are fractions of pennies. Tried to sell part of a loan today and it kept auto resetting the final digit down by one. When I finally gave up trying to change it and executed, it asked if I wanted to sell x.9999999999998. Then had to go back in and sell a penny to clear funding defecit. Odd thing was I wasnt trying to sell my whole holdiing Is this on SS? I had such problem with AC. Sorted now.
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Post by Liz on Feb 18, 2016 8:18:08 GMT
I can never buy on the SM, so don't even try,I just "game" the PM. Personally I have no problem with the SM, but a tweak would seem fair and appease members. Just limit bids to say £500, with a 30 sec delay, and remove this once the situation changes. Then again aren't we just asking SS to spend money and time to fix a minor issue, and like has been said, the PM is the place to build a portfolio, SM buys are a bonus.
I don't know, just bring back the PBL0005 days, old members will understand.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 18, 2016 8:48:09 GMT
I can never buy on the SM, so don't even try If everybody did that, nothing would ever be sold on the SM...
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 18, 2016 15:21:02 GMT
I can never buy on the SM, so don't even try If everybody did that, nothing would ever be sold on the SM... That's the obvious concern. If too many people are put off by the difficulty buying on the SM it will reduce the liquidity wanted by those who wish to sell on the SM. If that just means more for those buyers willing to persevere, that'd be no problem. But if those buyers become saturated... I did a fair amount of buying in the wee hours of this morning, when things were slow enough that I actually had a chance to consider whether I wanted to buy a part that had become available. And I even had enough time to work out how much I needed to buy in order to achieve a round-number holding and buy just that amount. But at this point, I think I'm saturated for the time being. I'll take a good look at my whole portfolio today, decide which loans I have too much of, and start selling my excess parts.
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