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Post by webwiz on Feb 26, 2016 19:30:47 GMT
Ditto the other two now - seems someone at FC has been reading this thread. And someone at FS.
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 27, 2016 15:10:48 GMT
It looks like the 'renewal' of the Golders Green loan has added to the glut. With other renewals, ISTM that about 80% of investors typically roll their investment forward automatically. This one isn't officially a renewal because the bonuses for £10+k investments aren't being repeated.
Four hours after the loan was opened for investment, it's only 40% funded. Is that because people have to take positive action to reinvest rather than it happening automatically? Or is it because the BHs who invested enough to get the bonus interest aren't as keen to invest without that bonus? Considering that the Rishton loan that's available now is offering bonus interest, perhaps the BH money is migrating from GG to R.
The R loan also is promising interest starting from yesterday, whereas the situation at GG is unclear -- to me, anyway. Although the original GG investment capital wasn't repaid until today, interest was paid only until last Tuesday, so the original investors have lost four days' worth of interest. (My interest credit was less than the amount that was shown as accrued interest in my account yesterday evening.) So who is going to get the interest payable for the period between last Tuesday and the day the replacement loan is activated? Will it go to the new investors -- four days' worth (£789) effectively being a subsidy from the original investors? Might it end up in FS's pocket?
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 27, 2016 15:30:37 GMT
It looks like the 'renewal' of the Golders Green loan has added to the glut. With other renewals, ISTM that about 80% of investors typically roll their investment forward automatically. This one isn't officially a renewal because the bonuses for £10+k investments aren't being repeated. Four hours after the loan was opened for investment, it's only 40% funded. Is that because people have to take positive action to reinvest rather than it happening automatically? Or is it because the BHs who invested enough to get the bonus interest aren't as keen to invest without that bonus? Considering that the Rishton loan that's available now is offering bonus interest, perhaps the BH money is migrating from GG to R. The R loan also is promising interest starting from yesterday, whereas the situation at GG is unclear -- to me, anyway. Although the original GG investment capital wasn't repaid until today, interest was paid only until last Tuesday, so the original investors have lost four days' worth of interest. (My interest credit was less than the amount that was shown as accrued interest in my account yesterday evening.) So who is going to get the interest payable for the period between last Tuesday and the day the replacement loan is activated? Will it go to the new investors -- four days' worth (£789) effectively being a subsidy from the original investors? Might it end up in FS's pocket? I hadnt realised this was not a straight renewal so only logged in to maybe make an additional investment, which I then didnt do when I realised it wasnt a renewal, wasnt flying and unclear on when interest would start from. Ive invested the original repayment but will hold off adding more as something else might come along (Im recycling repayments only). Hadnt consider your point till now An interesting question, Where the loan is a straight renewal, my understanding was that the start date is back dated to the end of the previous loan, so the interest earnt over the gap goes to the new holder (or existing holder if the renewee). I suspect this will be the same
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 27, 2016 16:51:10 GMT
Where the loan is a straight renewal, my understanding was that the start date is back dated to the end of the previous loan, so the interest earnt over the gap goes to the new holder (or existing holder if the renewee). I suspect this will be the same That's my understanding for straight renewals, and that's when exiting investors subsidise incoming investors. I'm not convinced that's the right thing to do, but that's the way FS do it. As for what's going to happen in this case, unless fundingsecure tell us what they're going to do -- either here or in an update to the loan details -- we won't find out about it until after the loan is activated. At which point, of course, it will be too late to act upon the info. So it would be helpful if FS told us what's going on. Not to mention that it probably would help the GG loan get funded, because it's in competition with two other loans where it's been made clear that interest already is accruing. The lack of clarity must put the GG loan at a disadvantage.
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Post by eascogo on Feb 27, 2016 18:15:42 GMT
It looks like the 'renewal' of the Golders Green loan has added to the glut. With other renewals, ISTM that about 80% of investors typically roll their investment forward automatically. This one isn't officially a renewal because the bonuses for £10+k investments aren't being repeated. Four hours after the loan was opened for investment, it's only 40% funded. Is that because people have to take positive action to reinvest rather than it happening automatically? Or is it because the BHs who invested enough to get the bonus interest aren't as keen to invest without that bonus? Considering that the Rishton loan that's available now is offering bonus interest, perhaps the BH money is migrating from GG to R. The R loan also is promising interest starting from yesterday, whereas the situation at GG is unclear -- to me, anyway. Although the original GG investment capital wasn't repaid until today, interest was paid only until last Tuesday, so the original investors have lost four days' worth of interest. (My interest credit was less than the amount that was shown as accrued interest in my account yesterday evening.) So who is going to get the interest payable for the period between last Tuesday and the day the replacement loan is activated? Will it go to the new investors -- four days' worth (£789) effectively being a subsidy from the original investors? Might it end up in FS's pocket? It could well be that bonuses on Rishton competed with the GG loan (4 recent GHs, 160k). Of interest also is that BHs in the Rishton loan (69% filled right now) account for 500k of the 686k already deposited.
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Post by Financial Thing on Feb 27, 2016 18:26:39 GMT
I imagine the stall of the SM has resulted in the slowdown of the new loans being filled. Personally I can't sell out of some existing loans to reinvest in the new ones. Hopefully fundingsecure will take a look at how the SM could be improved as 26 pages of par SM loans indicates the SM market isn't effective. Imagine if people couldn't sell out of existing SS investments to diversify, growth would stall in the same way.
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Post by eascogo on Feb 27, 2016 20:01:18 GMT
I imagine the stall of the SM has resulted in the slowdown of the new loans being filled. Personally I can't sell out of some existing loans to reinvest in the new ones. Hopefully fundingsecure will take a look at how the SM could be improved as 26 pages of par SM loans indicates the SM market isn't effective. Imagine if people couldn't sell out of existing SS investments to diversify, growth would stall in the same way. Those needing to sell will have to allow discounting. A big change in expectations. About 250 of over 700 sales are at par.
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Post by ben on Feb 27, 2016 20:08:15 GMT
I think on a fair few of the later loans that have been pretty big people have brought more then they wanted with the intention of selling it on the secondary market but with the way the secondary market works it is not like SS were anything sells, there about 60,000 of the wind turbine on offer already and was only drawn down the other day
Also a lot of the loans avaliable are the ones with not that long to go and people are trying to get rid of them to avoid any risk of default
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 27, 2016 20:19:07 GMT
It could well be that bonuses on Rishton competed with the GG loan (4 recent GHs, 160k). Of interest also is that BHs in the Rishton loan (69% filled right now) account for 500k of the 686k already deposited. eascogo: Have you tried to work out the Rishton average interest rate? With 73% of the funding so far attracting bonuses, this is going to be an expensive loan for the borrower!
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 27, 2016 20:27:57 GMT
So it would be helpful if FS told us what's going on. Not to mention that it probably would help the GG loan get funded, because it's in competition with two other loans where it's been made clear that interest already is accruing. The lack of clarity must put the GG loan at a disadvantage. Answer now posted in an update on site, current GG loan to accrue from 22nd. pepperpot: Might there be a typo in your report? When I look at the loan page, I see... I suppose another possibility would be FS editing what they wrote at first. That's good info to have, and ought to help GG funding. The old loan shows as ending on 23/Feb. If the new one starts on 24/Feb, that still would appear to leave a 1-day gap. But it's a lot better than a gap of unknown duration.
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Post by eascogo on Feb 27, 2016 21:49:56 GMT
It could well be that bonuses on Rishton competed with the GG loan (4 recent GHs, 160k). Of interest also is that BHs in the Rishton loan (69% filled right now) account for 500k of the 686k already deposited. eascogo : Have you tried to work out the Rishton average interest rate? With 73% of the funding so far attracting bonuses, this is going to be an expensive loan for the borrower! From the listing taken at 16h50 only six investors qualify for a bonus (1@16%, 3@14%, 2@13%), one of whom put in £200k. The extra interest for those work out as £11,570*. I would have thought that FS is likely to shoulder this rather than the borrower, what do you think? I also note that one investor (B****e) has 20k down so might well want to go the extra mile to get an extra 1% if cash is available. * This figure should be halved if six months.
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Post by ben on Feb 27, 2016 22:00:35 GMT
I doubt that FS will shoulder the extra as would eat significantly into their profits that
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Post by eascogo on Feb 27, 2016 22:15:43 GMT
I doubt that FS will shoulder the extra as would eat significantly into their profits that Would not the rate of interest been already fixed? FS can hardly tell the borrower that as a result of concern with filling up the loan in good time would he/she not mind paying for the bonus?
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Post by ben on Feb 27, 2016 22:24:56 GMT
I doubt that FS will shoulder the extra as would eat significantly into their profits that Would not the rate of interest been already fixed? FS can hardly tell the borrower that as a result of concern with filling up the loan in good time would he/she not mind paying for the bonus? no looks like borrower is funding it , as taken from website As the borrower is now keen to complete this transaction, they have agreed to fund bonuses as follows: Investments of £25,000 and over 1% i.e. pays 13% pa Investments of £50,000 and over 2% i.e. pays 14% pa Investments of £100,000 and over 4% i.e. pays 16% pa
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Post by eascogo on Feb 27, 2016 22:40:45 GMT
Would not the rate of interest been already fixed? FS can hardly tell the borrower that as a result of concern with filling up the loan in good time would he/she not mind paying for the bonus? no looks like borrower is funding it , as taken from website As the borrower is now keen to complete this transaction, they have agreed to fund bonuses as follows: Investments of £25,000 and over 1% i.e. pays 13% pa Investments of £50,000 and over 2% i.e. pays 14% pa Investments of £100,000 and over 4% i.e. pays 16% pa Ah, hadn't noticed this, so in that case the pain is for the borrower and a few more BHs might still come to the fore, increasing the pain.
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