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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 11:20:06 GMT
5 P2P portals, RS, FC, AC, MT, SS Stocks (UK, US, OZ, Sweden) PIBS Funds (I don't think you can invest in Bitcoin but you can bet) ;-)
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Post by cpaken on Mar 9, 2016 11:47:19 GMT
5 P2P portals, RS, FC, AC, MT, SS Stocks (UK, US, OZ, Sweden) PIBS Funds (I don't think you can invest in Bitcoin but you can bet) ;-) Interesting, I started out on RS last year but have sold almost all the loans on there (even though I had to pay over £100 early exit fee) since I found ones like SS and FS that pays 12%. I didnt (still dont) see any real USP they have over SS or FS other than the fact they've been in business longer and have a bigger provision fund. I was on the 3 year one so the rate was just under 5%, which is same as I'm getting with my TSB account. Maybe there's something you and other RS investors can see that I can't, would love to hear your thoughts on this.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 9, 2016 11:47:37 GMT
I guess there is a theory that most loans which default, default towards the end of their loan period but I don't think there is much evidence that that is true. This will differ from platform to platform. Where a borrower is making monthly payments, default generally comes when a payment doesn't arrive, and that could come as early as the first one. But default actually could come earlier if the borrower has a disaster and becomes bankrupt the day after drawdown. Where a platform retains interest at drawdown and the borrower doesn't have to make payments, then the loan shouldn't become a default during the retained interest period except in the disaster case. With FS pawnbroking loans, the chance of an early default is very nearly zero -- principally because FS need to have no contact at all with the borrower before the end of the loan's term. So FS generally will not find out that the security won't be redeemed until the time comes to redeem it. Sometimes I think we need reminding that pawnbroking 'loans' aren't really loans at all. FS effectively are buying the security from the 'borrower', and giving the borrower the option to buy the security back at the end of the term for the same price plus the fees (which we often refer to as 'interest'). If the borrower doesn't exercise their option, then it's up to FS to sell the security for the best price, which hopefully will be enough to cover the original 'sale' price plus the accrued fees. Any surplus goes back to the original owner of the security. If the proceeds are insufficient, FS and its investors lose out. That's why pawnbroking fees are so high. There is no recourse to the borrower. Other FS loans call for interest to be paid at the end of the term, so problems probably won't show up until then. These are low risk ideas but you need to take them into account. These are not low-risk ideas. They may be low probability, but not low risk.
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Post by bluechip on Mar 9, 2016 12:29:39 GMT
Cpaken - RS is good for diversification (Zopa, Lending Works, Quid Cycle and Wellesley are typical competitors I believe). You are lending to people rather than businesses or assets. The amounts being lent will be much less in total for each loan so things going Pete Tongue for an RS loan is nothing compared to a loan going bad on FS, SS, MT etc typically. FC/FK/REBS are different animals again. I spread myself around the various P2P businesses to spread risk. But I have my favourites and actively pulling out of the later ones mentioned due to lack of decent security and several loans going bad recently. There are many others of course with different niches. I like Assetz Captial & Lendinvest as well, going to look into Landbay.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 9, 2016 13:06:53 GMT
Bobo and Mike - which platforms are you using for majority of your loans? Do you also invest in other things like stocks, bitcoins, SME..etc? The bulk of my P2P lending is split reasonably evenly between SS, AC, and FS. I started out all in Z (about 5 years ago) but went off them as they took more and more control away from their investors and the available interest rates decreased. If I were starting again now, I think I'd prefer RS over Z, but I'd probably still be moving toward SS, AC, and FS, because I can afford to take the higher risks in the hope for higher rewards. But that's because my risk tolerance is high. Everyone has to find a level they're happy with -- the extra potential is not worth it if you can't sleep at night! I'm also in crowdfunding of property -- basically BtL -- via The House Crowd. (They've gone into development lending recently, but I haven't diversified into that with them since I have enough difficulty trying to keep control over my existing investments.) And finally I'm in shares (UK & US), and a small bit of VCTs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 14:42:06 GMT
These are low risk ideas but you need to take them into account. These are not low-risk ideas. They may be low probability, but not low risk. Mikes is right above. but "FS effectively are buying the security from the 'borrower', and giving the borrower the option to buy the security back at the end of the term for the same price plus the fees (which we often refer to as 'interest')." is wrong under pawn contracts unless there are specific conditions, i.e. <£75 of value.
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Post by sqh on Mar 9, 2016 15:58:14 GMT
New Update says to be revalued for loan extension at higher value. Looks like my log burner will be going hungry.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 16:38:39 GMT
Very few people buy a boat for commercial use when you cannot use it, so by moving the loan/boat into April/May makes some sense. No point in taking it out to October as the boat will then sit idle another winter unless it goes over to the Carib. Should be interesting how they write that up. I'd like to see the new survey. I have to admit I have £100 riding on this barque. Sailing is like standing in a cold shower tearing up £10 notes.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 9, 2016 20:20:22 GMT
"FS effectively are buying the security from the 'borrower', and giving the borrower the option to buy the security back at the end of the term for the same price plus the fees (which we often refer to as 'interest')." is wrong under pawn contracts unless there are specific conditions, i.e. <£75 of value. OK. I will defer to someone with superior knowledge. My main point, however, is that the only thing FS have to rely on for recovering the money they've paid to the borrower and getting paid for their service if the borrower doesn't pay to 'redeem' the security is whatever they can sell the security for. AIUI, FS cannot pursue the borrower and ask them to make up any shortfall. Is that correct?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 7:30:57 GMT
Mike, me too, I had to ask Mrs Bobo who has the superior knowledge Yep, you are right
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 7, 2016 16:47:39 GMT
Interest received by FS being renewed tomorrow. Check your renewal settings
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Post by SteveT on Apr 7, 2016 17:36:43 GMT
Interest received by FS being renewed tomorrow. Check your renewal settings No need; happily I disembarked some time ago, would you believe at a 1% premium!? Those were the days.
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Post by mikes1531 on Apr 7, 2016 19:01:15 GMT
Interest received by FS being renewed tomorrow. Check your renewal settings fundingsecure: Is it fair to presume that the idea of increasing the loan amount has been dropped -- at least for the moment -- and that this will be a simple renewal of the existing loan? If so, is an increased loan still being considered? If so, are you any closer to receiving an updated valuation?
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Post by mikes1531 on Apr 7, 2016 19:15:54 GMT
Further to my posting above, I see from the 'New Loan Coming Tomorrow' email that it is just a simple renewal at this time. fundingsecure: There's no mention of an investment limit in the email. Does this mean there'll be no limit? Or was it simply an omission? (I note there's been nothing added to the FS New Loan Coming thread.) I also think there's a problem with the loan ref stated in the email (2930007099), as that seems to belong to a Range Rover loan.
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Post by fundingsecure on Apr 8, 2016 7:23:23 GMT
Thank you for your message. There will be no investment limit on this loan. And, yes, we had the wrong reference number on this loan! It should have been 2930007099.
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