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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 14, 2016 21:34:48 GMT
Not sure the selling queue is in any recognisable order though, so that probably won't work. The part I saw being worked on was halfway down the queue, so it isn't simply ordered. ablender: If you just get the heading you are NOT logged out (or maybe you typed an invalid loan number). Note that the session might be active even if you close the tab/window. You really need to 'logout' manually, and maybe close the browser completely. if you can see 'sold' but not 'selling' you are maybe typing something wrong (it's easier to see with sold, if you have actually sold any parts, you'll get your short list and not the long 'everyone' one). |
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Post by jonah on Mar 14, 2016 21:38:59 GMT
Long sold list so presumably logged out (also not logged in today so I should be logged out!), just the headers on selling here though.
view=sell gives me a long list, view=selling doesn't. Same rest of url.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 14, 2016 21:42:06 GMT
Ah, I see that this is only true for loan 184 - look at the others and the data is still there (eg 182). Makes me suspect that NONE of the parts of 184 which are for sale are actually 'for sale' from users .. or else maybe there is some system glitch? Can't see why 184 would be different from all the others, which display as before.
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Post by savingstream on Mar 14, 2016 21:53:07 GMT
Ah, maybe they decided to plug the loophole then .. they might have mentioned it. Not sure what 'sell' is though ... doesn't look like the 'selling' list, so maybe it's just a match for 'sold'? We had a housekeeping session this morning.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 14, 2016 21:58:11 GMT
Yes, but what did you do? (As I said I can still see selling parts for loan 182 .. just not 184!). Or did you mean all the 184 parts for sale are really your housekeeping parts?
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Post by ablender on Mar 14, 2016 22:04:30 GMT
Some of those sums of money are like what I would like to afford. Perhaps I should sell the house and invest them in SS. A tent under a bridge should do. The problem to solve - internet connection.
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 14, 2016 22:05:42 GMT
Ah, maybe they decided to plug the loophole then .. they might have mentioned it. Not sure what 'sell' is though ... doesn't look like the 'selling' list, so maybe it's just a match for 'sold'? We had a housekeeping session this morning. Breaking news...... savingstream new admin staff revealed....... 
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 14, 2016 23:17:40 GMT
This also means if you put up and odd number to sell, say 999.96 instead of 10000, you can track the progress of your part through the queue. You don't need to put up an odd number. Your list of parts for sale will show the part number, and the list of all parts for sale also shows part numbers. I tried this for the part of PBL077 that I have for sale, and got some good info, but not quite enough because the list seems to be ordered by the parts' Start Dates and in order to see queue position they need to be ordered by their End Dates because that's the order they joined the selling queue. I can sort the list into End Date order, but the dates on the list don't include the time of day, so I can't see where I am among the other parts offered for sale on the same day I put mine up for sale. That's a particular problem in this case, because there's a £10,000 part and a £4,589 for sale and I'd really like to know whether I'm in front of or behind those large parts. The £10k part was bought on the 9th and put up for sale on the 10th, and it probably won't be sold until tomorrow (the 15th) at the earliest, so it's not going to produce a particularly attractive return for its owner -- 2% p.a. at best.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 14, 2016 23:34:21 GMT
Ah, I see that this is only true for loan 184 - look at the others and the data is still there (eg 182). Makes me suspect that NONE of the parts of 184 which are for sale are actually 'for sale' from users .. or else maybe there is some system glitch? Can't see why 184 would be different from all the others, which display as before. I can report that the tiny PBL085 part I put up for sale on Saturday sold this evening -- the confirmation email is timed at 2020. That was before GSV3MIaC's message, so it doesn't contradict the suggestion that the only parts left might be SS's parts.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 14, 2016 23:42:44 GMT
Also, I think if you leave (view=) it blank you get both sold and live, but not certain. I've just tried that while logged in, and the list did include both sold and live. But it's not easy to tell them apart because there's no End Date shown. The only way to identify the sold ones is by adding their age to their Start Date -- if the result isn't today, then the part has been sold.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 15, 2016 2:48:51 GMT
Also, I think if you leave (view=) it blank you get both sold and live, but not certain. I've just tried that while logged in, and the list did include both sold and live. But it's not easy to tell them apart because there's no End Date shown. The only way to identify the sold ones is by adding their age to their Start Date -- if the result isn't today, then the part has been sold. I tried "view=" (aka blank) a few days ago comparing the number of loan parts listed with live and sold. For some loans, live+sold=blank but for others live+sold<blank. Maybe blank includes selling, so live+sold+selling=blank? My 'blank' list could have included selling as well, but I couldn't tell because I wasn't selling anything at the time.
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Post by sl75 on Mar 15, 2016 8:01:47 GMT
... which looks suspiciously like a part which didn't get paid for after 48 hours (of which there were lots .. again download =sold and =selling and do your own stats) The parts which don't get paid for after 48 hours seem to simply get "evaporated" (or maybe there's some other list besides =sold, =selling and =live?) You can work out a "deficit" as I described before, in one of two ways: 1. compare the total in the "selling" list with the amount shown on site as "available". 2. Add up the total in the "live" and the "selling" list and subtract from the loan amount. In either case this will give an available amount that is NOT accounted for by loan parts - i.e. the "unallocated" portion of the loan. A day or two after launch, this was well below £100k (although I might have got the exact amount wrong, as I might have counted the sold portion rather than the unsold portion of the £100k loan part that was partly-sold at the time). Yesterday morning, the total available jumped by about £250k, without any new loan parts appearing on the "selling" list. This morning, I see that the only loan parts on the "selling" list have today's date as their "end date", implying that the backlog of loan parts "for sale by owner" has been completely cleared, and all loans are fully liquid again. [Edit: not quite - looking again, PBL077 has some several-days-old "selling" parts]
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 15, 2016 13:00:48 GMT
Yes, I think you are right, the 'not on the selling list' must be SS (underwriter?) parts, which does probably include those not paid for. The (many) ones showing as 2 days old must have been parts which people put up for sale themselves ('jumped before they were pushed') as/at the 48 hour deadline. Anyway, nice to know that there is some way (still, not yet plugged) of seeing the selling heap, even if you can read it as an ordered queue, and that many of the loans are actually more liquid than would appear from just looking at the 'for sale' listings (because lender parts always get sold first).
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 15, 2016 16:08:52 GMT
[Edit: not quite - looking again, PBL077 has some several-days-old "selling" parts] Two of those parts would have been ones I offered for sale last Thursday (10/Mar). The emails saying they were sold came this morning, about an hour after sl75's message.
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Post by sl75 on Mar 15, 2016 16:27:38 GMT
[Edit: not quite - looking again, PBL077 has some several-days-old "selling" parts] Two of those parts would have been ones I offered for sale last Thursday (10/Mar). The emails saying they were sold came this morning, about an hour after sl75 's message. ... and indeed soon after that the whole lot had gone, so we're back to same-day liquidity on all loans.
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