withnell
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Post by withnell on May 11, 2017 16:46:52 GMT
Anyone INPL who doesn't pay leaves Lendy at risk of owning a drawndown loan part - it doesn't make a difference if it's from the SM or not
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Liz
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Post by Liz on May 11, 2017 16:58:57 GMT
Anyone INPL who doesn't pay leaves Lendy at risk of owning a drawndown loan part - it doesn't make a difference if it's from the SM or not You are wrong. The SM and PM are different. Lendy can't send PM funds to the borrowers until they have collected all of the funds and can use underwriters for "unpaid" loan parts or re-sell them. You can't expect Lendy to pay for underwriters for "non-payers" on the SM. And I doubt an underwriter would want to underwrite short-dated and negative loans on the SM.
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Post by mikes1531 on May 11, 2017 19:09:38 GMT
The lender has made a request against a specific tranche proposal, it is not for Lendy to determine whether they would be happy to take SM sums or not. I'm not sure I agree with the above. If an investor pre-funds a new tranche for £5k, that's supposed to mean they want £5k more of that loan. If it turns out that the maximum allocation is only £3k, then I don't see how they could be aggrieved if Lendy were to take £2k from the front of the SM queue for that loan and allocate it to the investor so that they received all they pre-funded for. Should they really care where the parts came from (PM vs. SM) as long as they don't have to pay for them instantly upon allocation? There might be a slight issue if investors were to be putting in large pre-funding requests feeling confident they'd never be allocated the full amount because of the size of the tranche and then being surprised to find their requests have been allocated in full. That's really the investor's problem, though, and could be alleviated a bit if Lendy were to give advance notice that they were going to do that for oversubscribed tranches in loans where parts are available via the SM. However, as has been mentioned by others, I think the real reason SS can't do that is the FCA not wanting platforms to hold loan parts for their own account, even temporarily. (I don't think it really would matter whether the money to buy the SM parts came from the client account or the platform's working capital because AIUI the FCA's concern is the risk associated with the parts.) They might be allowed to use underwriters' funds, but that probably would be more expensive than it is worth to the platform.
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Post by vmail on May 11, 2017 23:54:58 GMT
So there will be an extension of an unknown period of time. Do I cancel the sales and recoup £36.72 in interest and struggle to sell later? Or stay in the queue and get out in about 2 to 3 days when the loan parts are sold?
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Post by TitoPuente on May 12, 2017 6:40:55 GMT
"Latest Independent Monitoring Surveying Report received and next development drawdown due this week. Plots 1-4 are progressing well. However, an extension to term will be required in order to finish the remaining units. Updated valuation instructed in order to consider the request further."
So if the updated valuation is not satisfactory L will not grant an extension? Do they have a choice? i.e. the loan will not be repaid in 35 days regardless.
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Post by GeorgeT on May 12, 2017 10:24:47 GMT
So there will be an extension of an unknown period of time. Do I cancel the sales and recoup £36.72 in interest and struggle to sell later? Or stay in the queue and get out in about 2 to 3 days when the loan parts are sold? If this wasn't a rhetorical question explaining the conundrum that is ongoing in your mind I would provide an answer. Bear in mind that £36 is a small price to pay to buy off all that uncertainty, concern, and risk. This one is selling very nicely now on the secondary market so my advice would be to seize the moment and exit the loan while you still can. If you change your mind it's such a big one there will always be availability for you on the secondary market.
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Post by vmail on May 12, 2017 10:28:30 GMT
So there will be an extension of an unknown period of time. Do I cancel the sales and recoup £36.72 in interest and struggle to sell later? Or stay in the queue and get out in about 2 to 3 days when the loan parts are sold? If this wasn't a rhetorical question explaining the conundrum that is ongoing in your mind I would provide an answer. Bear in mind that £36 is a small price to pay to buy off all that uncertainty, concern, and risk. This one is selling very nicely now on the secondary market so my advice would be to seize the moment and exit the loan while you still can. If you change your mind it's such a big one there will always be availability for you on the secondary market. Thanks
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Post by izigor on Jul 8, 2017 12:31:28 GMT
"Draft valuation figures do not provide any increase on the existing figures held and as such we are in discussions with Borrower to provide additional security in order to consider an extension to the facility, which is now overdue."
Please help confirm or correct my current understanding:
1. An Extension to the facility means extending the end date of the loan not the amount itself? 2. If additional security is required, that means the valuation must have dropped in value? (if so why?) (of course if extension to facility means additional borrowing, then that would present a different set of questions) 3. For those with the crystal ball, is this going to go for default or is it likely to be resolved. (Also what will next week's lottery numbers be?)
Thanks for all the help in advance.
p.s: if you know the answer to the lottery numbers, don't bother with the other questions.
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Post by mary on Jul 8, 2017 12:51:26 GMT
"Draft valuation figures do not provide any increase on the existing figures held and as such we are in discussions with Borrower to provide additional security in order to consider an extension to the facility, which is now overdue." Please help confirm or correct my current understanding: 1. An Extension to the facility means extending the end date of the loan not the amount itself? 2. If additional security is required, that means the valuation must have dropped in value? (if so why?) (of course if extension to facility means additional borrowing, then that would present a different set of questions) 3. For those with the crystal ball, is this going to go for default or is it likely to be resolved. (Also what will next week's lottery numbers be?) Thanks for all the help in advance. p.s: if you know the answer to the lottery numbers, don't bother with the other questions. 1. Yes 2. Not necessarily, but it's already at 70%, so no leeway to advance further money without additional security. However last time I checked Rightmove few or none had sold as there an incentive for the first four that reserve, which seems that it is unlikely to meet the full valuation, and could been months away from repayment, by which time the extra interest due may not be fully covered. 3. Unknown, but if the developer has additional reserves and/or security that would be comforting. I think capital loss is unlikely, but interest after 90 days is very much at risk. PS. For lottery just pm me the numbers!
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 8, 2017 13:54:59 GMT
"Draft valuation figures do not provide any increase on the existing figures held and as such we are in discussions with Borrower to provide additional security in order to consider an extension to the facility, which is now overdue." Please help confirm or correct my current understanding: 1. An Extension to the facility means extending the end date of the loan not the amount itself? 2. If additional security is required, that means the valuation must have dropped in value? (if so why?) (of course if extension to facility means additional borrowing, then that would present a different set of questions) 3. For those with the crystal ball, is this going to go for default or is it likely to be resolved. (Also what will next week's lottery numbers be?) Thanks for all the help in advance. p.s: if you know the answer to the lottery numbers, don't bother with the other questions. 1. Yes 2. Not necessarily, but it's already at 70%, so no leeway to advance further money without additional security. However last time I checked Rightmove few or none had sold as there an incentive for the first four that reserve, which seems that it is unlikely to meet the full valuation, and could been months away from repayment, by which time the extra interest due may not be fully covered. 3. Unknown, but if the developer has additional reserves and/or security that would be comforting. I think capital loss is unlikely, but interest after 90 days is very much at risk. PS. For lottery just pm me the numbers! 1. Not necessarily as Lendy could advanced additional sums to cover the sum required to pay the interest for the extension ... either through an extra tranche on the platform or themselves (same as DFL002 to same borrower) 2. Based on the update, the valuation has come in around the same, hence their is no flexibility to release further funds against the current security 3. Unlikely IMO, if the borrower can refinace/secure sales on DFL002, he may well be able to release funds that way. It should also be noted that their is another part to the DFL001 development which may be available to boost security/raise funds. (Given the comments at the start of this week's update, I would assume all interest going forward has to be considered vunerable
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Post by seeingred on Jul 16, 2017 20:15:06 GMT
In loans of this type, where progressive sales can occur (rather than all or nothing to one person or company) it would be helpful to us (and prudent for Lendy) to keep themselves up to speed with the progress on site and number of house sales (houses in this case, holiday lodges in other cases). If things are going wrong on site or if there is insufficient sales progress then Lendy should step in at an early stage and nudge the borrower to get the project back on track before matters become serious.
It may be a matter of poor building works supervision, lack of management on site, lack of a good sales agent or a combination of factors. But we need to see sales.
I am not convinced Lendy is very good at doing this - and certainly they have been less than adequate at communicating with lenders via meaningful updates. This could have an impact even upon the founding partners of Lendy - they need to be aware that all eyes are on their performance as managers of the platform, and in the internet age, eyes have a long reach.
There has been an example recently on another P2P platform where the platform stepped in to take some element of control of a large project to help steer it towards what we hope will be a more successful conclusion for all parties.
Wake up Lendy - the world is watching.
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Post by lusitania on Jul 18, 2017 5:11:34 GMT
(...) I am not convinced Lendy is very good at doing this - and certainly they have been less than adequate at communicating with lenders via meaningful updates. This could have an impact even upon the founding partners of Lendy - they need to be aware that all eyes are on their performance as managers of the platform, and in the internet age, eyes have a long reach. (...) * My bold
You're quite right! DFL001 is my first overdue loan on Lendy and although I do expect loans to be repaid late I would also like to see a more preemptive and proactive approach to their resolution. Somehow it seems to me that Lendy could learn one thing or two from a couple of other platforms by intervening (and communicating) at an earlier stage and not just wait until the expiry term. No point to add anything else as you summarised pretty well! Now, where is that thread 'Why am I leaving Lendy'.... (rhetorical)
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Post by twoheads on Jul 18, 2017 7:18:46 GMT
0.5% bonus kicked in today on this loan. It will pay 12.5% for the next 30 days (assuming no repayment or term extension suddenly appears).
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jul 18, 2017 10:04:04 GMT
Paul64 , savingstream , can you tell us why ALL work on this development has stopped and what you intend to do about this. Yes please. No obfuscation. Just as for a property in Whitehaven, Lendy must be aware that lenders are watching every development and will publicise here if the platform is giving misleading or downright unthruthful updates that all other lenders should know about. None of this "the borrower advises" claptrap too please. Find out, Lendy.
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Post by tombraider on Jul 18, 2017 11:30:55 GMT
updates of that nature rather than how lending in Newcastle compares to Wimbledon would be far more useful than today's newsletter....
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