r1200gs
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Post by r1200gs on Sept 21, 2017 23:33:23 GMT
Then suddenly out of the blue we have started getting IMS reports for most/all DFLs and never an explanation why we didn't get them before. Now it's even more clear that these reports never existed to be shared with lenders in the first place. A lot of forum members were repeating themselves on and on for sight of these reports. I was guilty of putting too much trust in Lendy/Saving Stream and I feel I'm now going to take the hit for that with a big loss on this loan. We live and learn Yup, and several people said they could absolutely not understand why these reports could not be made available to lenders. One reason would be if they didn't exist, because they cost money and the borrower seemed such a decent chap with huge experience. All conjecture on my part, but then as a Whitehaven holder with FS, I'm getting a little cynical as my experience in P2P grows.
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Post by invester on Sept 22, 2017 6:19:57 GMT
I got a feeling as some of these projects 'mature' we will be entering rather unchartered territory for some platforms.
Has there ever been further legal action for negligence? It seems advancing monies on nothing more than a say-so crosses the line (talking about general development projects).
Many projects are disproportionate in size to the platform as well. One big disaster would seem to put the whole platform at risk if a claim was ever upheld.
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r1200gs
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Post by r1200gs on Sept 22, 2017 7:07:48 GMT
I got a feeling as some of these projects 'mature' we will be entering rather unchartered territory for some platforms. Has there ever been further legal action for negligence? It seems advancing monies on nothing more than a say-so crosses the line (talking about general development projects). Many projects are disproportionate in size to the platform as well. One big disaster would seem to put the whole platform at risk if a claim was ever upheld. I have no idea if legal action has ever been taken against a platform, but I suspect it's a matter of time. I agree, one large claim upheld against a platform and it could put the whole platform at risk. Whitehaven is a doozy with at least two very big hitters in that one and I am pretty sure that someone with £125,000 in one loan is not going to just shrug and write it off when the borrower eventually just tells FS to keep the security and walks, which looks to me to be just a matter of time. As a holder in tranche five( "sold" as a well advanced project when in fact an incomplete demolition) I know I will not be just shrugging and walking away. I don't know what Lendy have done here but I know what it looks like. I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that if a platform did collect vast amounts of lenders money on false reassurances that work was commencing nicely and ship it off to borrowers without making reasonable efforts to check it was being used for the stated purpose then this would be clear is deceit and negligence. If it happened.
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Post by tombraider on Sept 22, 2017 9:46:54 GMT
A meaningful update would be nice to allay people's fears and eroded confidence. Perhaps someone from lendy would care to comment....
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Post by zzr600 on Sept 22, 2017 13:44:34 GMT
Well, to be fair to Lendy, they've completed around 100 loans over the past 3 years or so, and investors have so far not lost a single penny. This includes a handful of loans that defaulted and where disposal of the asset was necessary. I think this is a wait and see situation. There was much similar discussion about the first loan that went into default about 2 years ago, and that was sorted.
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Post by guff on Sept 22, 2017 16:42:14 GMT
Then suddenly out of the blue we have started getting IMS reports for most/all DFLs and never an explanation why we didn't get them before. Now it's even more clear that these reports never existed to be shared with lenders in the first place. A lot of forum members were repeating themselves on and on for sight of these reports. I was guilty of putting too much trust in Lendy/Saving Stream and I feel I'm now going to take the hit for that with a big loss on this loan. We live and learn Yup, and several people said they could absolutely not understand why these reports could not be made available to lenders. One reason would be if they didn't exist, because they cost money and the borrower seemed such a decent chap with huge experience. All conjecture on my part, but then as a Whitehaven holder with FS, I'm getting a little cynical as my experience in P2P grows. The reason given here is a legal one - the quoted (broken) link to their website also states it is confidentiality and that a layman cannot be trusted to review an IMS correctly, but how this squares with said layman acting on a VR and being invested in a DFL in the first place is beyond me (and ozboy ).
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Post by oldgrumpy on Sept 22, 2017 16:55:57 GMT
IMS reports are generally split into subsections. These are; Progress - detailed comment is made of the planned progress as shown on the contractors program against the actual, with reasons given for any variance. Valuation - this is the cost of the work done to the date of the report and the contractors agreed cost plan is used as the basis for producing this detailed statement. Variations - this is a list of all works the client has instructed which do not form part of the original contract. The cost of the variations should be met from the client's own funds unless there is prior agreement with the funder to cover these. Utilities - this is a report on the progress of appointing the various utility companies to install water, electricity gas etc. and will include copies of quotations, receipts for payments made and confirmed installation dates. Materials on site - this will list all materials currently on site with their value. Subcontractors - this is a list of all appointed subcontractors detailing their works package and value Suppliers - this will list all specialist suppliers and include copies of quotations and acceptances together with receipts of payments made There are various other sections covering planned work, health and safety, site management, record of plant and operative on site in the previous period contractors proposals for the coming period etc. IMO it is extremely unlikely that an IMS would sign of further payments without producing a report containing the basics of the above and drawing the funders attention to the overspend on the construction as it was progressing. This post shows me that there was no IMS ever appointed and Lendy released further funds based on the word of the borrower. Just my opinion. But would love to be proved wrong... I'm sure Paul64 will reassure us. Paul, did Lendy actually have each and all of these IMS reports commissioned and delivered, in order to authorise continued payments to the borrower, or has Lendy been telling lies?
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Post by r1200gs on Sept 22, 2017 19:11:15 GMT
Yup, and several people said they could absolutely not understand why these reports could not be made available to lenders. One reason would be if they didn't exist, because they cost money and the borrower seemed such a decent chap with huge experience. All conjecture on my part, but then as a Whitehaven holder with FS, I'm getting a little cynical as my experience in P2P grows. The reason given here is a legal one - the quoted (broken) link to their website also states it is confidentiality and that a layman cannot be trusted to review an IMS correctly, but how this squares with said layman acting on a VR and being invested in a DFL in the first place is beyond me (and ozboy ). And me.
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Post by fp on Sept 23, 2017 11:35:21 GMT
Interesting reading for those who caught it.
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Post by developer on Sept 23, 2017 11:37:08 GMT
who controls this site?
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Post by developer on Sept 23, 2017 11:39:14 GMT
i am the poster, what verification does the mod require from me? i want my post posted again please immediately please. thank you
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Post by developer on Sept 23, 2017 11:50:02 GMT
hi i didn't retain a copy. Can you email to me please. Not sure why it was removed, this is the first time i have used a forum such as this. Do they often remove posts ?
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Post by mrclondon on Sept 23, 2017 11:52:16 GMT
i am the poster, what verification does the mod require from me? i want my post posted again please immediately please. thank you We have removed the post from view following it having being reported to the forum mod team by forum members. We are currently considering it in light of the comments made by those who reported it, and in the context of the forum rules. Please bear with us, we are volunteers. developer - can you keep an eye on the 'Messages' link in the top dark blue menu bar please. Any number alongside advises you that you have a PM (personal message) awaiting your response.
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Post by developer on Sept 23, 2017 11:52:43 GMT
why has fp's last post been removed?
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Post by developer on Sept 23, 2017 11:56:39 GMT
Dear MRCLONDON I appreciate you maybe a volunteer but how does my post breach the forum rules?
please explain
Thanks
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