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Post by brin on Apr 6, 2016 21:46:25 GMT
adrianc, at no point in my previous post did i state i was invested in 53 "SS" loans, my statement was i am invested in 53 loans, if you wish to interpretate that as SS loans then that is your assumption, again, i do not implicitly trust any platform, i think that is a very naive view to take, YOUR DD is what is important, not the platforms. Oh, well, if we're including other platforms, then... And, again, I haven't said that I implicitly trust any platform - quite the opposite. But I do trust them to get such basic procedural checklist matters right. AT no point did i state any platforms, this was your assumption, and indeed you should not trust any platform, and neither should you trust them to get procedural checklist matters right , that is why throughout this forum, there is implicit information as to the importance of "YOUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE"
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Post by lynnanthony on Apr 6, 2016 22:10:37 GMT
So, yes, checking implies mistrust. I disagree. Checking leads to trust. Or, to expand, checking what you can is what allows you to trust the things you can't check.
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Post by brin on Apr 6, 2016 22:16:07 GMT
There are in fact a few times where SS have not got the procedural matters right.
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Post by brin on Apr 6, 2016 22:19:45 GMT
So, yes, checking implies mistrust. I could not disagree more, are you suggesting that should we make further checks, this implies we mistrust the DD of the site?
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Post by james on Apr 7, 2016 0:18:15 GMT
is there any empirical proof to an outsider that everyone on this platform are actually all inventions of a corrupt platform in order to get the unwary to part with their money as part of a scam? No. Nor is there any implicit proof that all borrowers really exist. One way that insider fraud has happened in the credit world is employees creating fake customers and sending them money in a wide range of ways. Insider fraud can be troublesome and it is always possible that it might be noticed by external checks before internal ones, if there is a method available to carry out those checks. The Land Registry checks are one potential avenue to do that. Besides that, mistakes happen and it's always possible that someday a check will catch a glitch of some sort. None of this requires any belief that a platform is fraudulent, just acceptance of the possibility that a platform could be defrauded or the victim of other criminal acts or just could make mistakes sometimes.
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Post by locutus on Apr 22, 2016 13:56:19 GMT
As the conversation came up again, I thought I'd show a redacted example of what can be found on the land registry. I downloaded the title for PBL088 but the title does not yet reflect the charge placed on it. This is fairly normal as solicitors can take a while to update the land registry. As a result, I went back a bit further and I also downloaded the title for PBL073 . In the Proprietorship Register, you can see the following:
And in the Charges Register, you can see the following:
So nothing to worry about. Incidentally, on this particular property, someone has registered a second charge via the County Court on the 17th March 2016. I'm not sure it means very much to people who have invested via SS as we have the first charge and priority over the asset.
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Post by littleoldlady on Apr 22, 2016 21:47:13 GMT
So nothing to worry about. Incidentally, on this particular property, someone has registered a second charge via the County Court on the 17th March 2016. I'm not sure it means very much to people who have invested via SS as we have the first charge and priority over the asset.
Maybe a little to worry about. Is it right that a second charge holder can force the sale of the asset (but only getting anything left after the first charge holder is paid in full)? This could mean a lengthy delay and even a loss to SS lenders. Administrators/Liquidators/Receivers charge eye watering fees.
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Post by profunder on Apr 22, 2016 21:59:56 GMT
So nothing to worry about. Incidentally, on this particular property, someone has registered a second charge via the County Court on the 17th March 2016. I'm not sure it means very much to people who have invested via SS as we have the first charge and priority over the asset.
Maybe a little to worry about. Is it right that a second charge holder can force the sale of the asset (but only getting anything left after the first charge holder is paid in full)? This could mean a lengthy delay and even a loss to SS lenders. Administrators/Liquidators/Receivers charge eye watering fees. It delays a sale which wouldn't recover funds for the second charge holder. Therefore the sales normally take longer as the LPA must act for all charge holders. Typically this means a reserve at auction which is higher. The other issue is it may prevent the owner making a sale to repay SS, but not covering the second charge. This makes the default more likely to happen. i may have some facts wrong, so feel free to correct.
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Post by mrclondon on Apr 22, 2016 22:02:13 GMT
So nothing to worry about. Incidentally, on this particular property, someone has registered a second charge via the County Court on the 17th March 2016. I'm not sure it means very much to people who have invested via SS as we have the first charge and priority over the asset.
Maybe a little to worry about. Is it right that a second charge holder can force the sale of the asset (but only getting anything left after the first charge holder is paid in full)? This could mean a lengthy delay and even a loss to SS lenders. Administrators/Liquidators/Receivers charge eye watering fees. Depends on whether its an interim or final charging order. locutus - was there any wording that you saw that would imply it was one or the other ?
This CAB page provides a load of background on charging orders : www.citizensadvice.org.uk/debt-and-money/action-your-creditor-can-take/charging-orders/
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Post by locutus on Apr 22, 2016 23:22:06 GMT
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Post by mrclondon on Apr 22, 2016 23:46:49 GMT
Thanks locutus
The 2nd charge is listed as "UNILATERAL NOTICE in respect of an interim charging order" so there is a chance it will be settled before it becomes a final charging order. The beneficiary of the charging order is listed as a firm of planning consultants, indeed the very firm I've employed to assist me and they seem a competent and professional outfit to me. Payment for my project is split into 3 stage payments, a small upfront deposit, 67% on submission of the planning application (or appeal) balance on the result of planning (or appeal) being declared which struck me as very reasonable.
Even if it becomes final, they would still need a court order to force a sale, but I think it fair to assume that as the beneficiary is a professional services company they will expect payment, and will work their way through the legal steps to achieve it.
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Post by registerme on Apr 23, 2016 1:35:46 GMT
Random fact (because I happen to be watching House of Lords on BBC whateverplayeronline, apparently it's possible to have title to a property and not have it registered / online / with the Land Registry. Only properties registered (sold?) after 1990 are guaranteed to be so recorded.
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Post by dualinvestor on Apr 23, 2016 7:12:54 GMT
From my stides over three decades ago I understood that all Land in England and Wales was required to be registered if it changed hands subsequent to the enactment of the Land Registration Act 1925. Now of course there may be exceptions that didn't comply, or instances where there has been a change of tenure that were not registerable, but I would imagine that if anyone was seeking to put up land as security the first thing any lender would do is insist that it be registered. There used to be a separate Land Charges Registry to allow registration of charges on unregistered land but I believe that has been incorporated as a department within the Land Registry.
By area quite a lot of land is still unregistered but generally that is owned by the Crown or institutions such as the Church of England, however I would imagine in at least those two cases I doubt they are trying to raise funds from P2P institutions using that land as security.
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 23, 2016 12:38:37 GMT
Random fact (because I happen to be watching House of Lords on BBC whateverplayeronline, apparently it's possible to have title to a property and not have it registered ... registerme: I think you may have missed the point: we're not discussing that kind of title....... I hate to disillusion you, but typically 'Viscount Toffeenose of Somewhereorother' doesn't in reality actually own 'Somewhereorother', and indeed may reside many hundreds of miles from it (better climate, bigger house, the usual stuff, but especially the bigger house bit). So that's why you may not find a corresponding entry in the land registry.
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Post by loanstar on Apr 23, 2016 14:52:51 GMT
Once the title number for the land has been acquired it would make sense for an investor to track what is happening at HMLR. A very simple and cost effective way would be to register for an alert at propertyalert.landregistry.gov.uk/This service automatically provide an email alert when changes are made to the title.
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