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Post by smrutib on Apr 29, 2016 20:22:35 GMT
And that is just the regulated lenders who provide data. For those who might want a quick read, West One (a fairly large bridging lender) do a Bridge Index. They only produce it every two/three months and the blurb is too close to marketing for my liking but it has a few useful bits of data Bridging indexThanks for the link samford The assertion by many on this forum that SS is a minuscule fraction of the bridging loan market might not be entirely correct. It's clear from the Bridging Index report above (and also from a quick search on Money Supermarket) that SS operates in a particular niche in the bridging market (high LTV, high interest). We don't know (at least I don't) what the size of this segment is. Ofcourse they can expand to other segments of the market but in that case it would be hard to maintain a 1% pm payout.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 22:20:44 GMT
What are the the implications if/when SS becomes too popular. Will that be it's downfall? It already has a liquid as cash SM. Hundreds are people are joining everyday. Soon pre-funding will be severely limited. It will become increasingly difficult to invest/re-invest your total funds. Hundreds of new joiners a day? I would suggest to read the real data before writing things which are totally wrong. Yes SS has a good growth rate and an increasing customer base. But let's not introduce totally non existent data.
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Post by registerme on Apr 30, 2016 0:15:29 GMT
What are the the implications if/when SS becomes too popular. Will that be it's downfall? It already has a liquid as cash SM. Hundreds are people are joining everyday. Soon pre-funding will be severely limited. It will become increasingly difficult to invest/re-invest your total funds. Hundreds of new joiners a day? I would suggest to read the real data before writing things which are totally wrong. Yes SS has a good growth rate and an increasing customer base. But let's not introduce totally non existent data. Link to the thread.
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Post by brianac on Apr 30, 2016 7:02:11 GMT
Hundreds of new joiners a day? I would suggest to read the real data before writing things which are totally wrong. Yes SS has a good growth rate and an increasing customer base. But let's not introduce totally non existent data. Link to the thread. So that's Hundreds every week then. And (imho) that is a good thing, steady growth in investor numbers combined with steady growth in loan originations, not too fast and not too slow. Of course reality is that both likely experience peaks and troughs. Brian
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Post by scoobydoo on Apr 30, 2016 8:27:10 GMT
What are the the implications if/when SS becomes too popular. Will that be it's downfall? It already has a liquid as cash SM. Hundreds are people are joining everyday. Soon pre-funding will be severely limited. It will become increasingly difficult to invest/re-invest your total funds. Hundreds of new joiners a day? I would suggest to read the real data before writing things which are totally wrong. Yes SS has a good growth rate and an increasing customer base. But let's not introduce totally non existent data. Yes, I made a mistake and meant per week and I got the data from that tracker thread. I would suggest to you that typos are possible even when reading real data.
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Post by highlandtiger on Apr 30, 2016 8:47:08 GMT
What are the the implications if/when SS becomes too popular. Will that be it's downfall? It already has a liquid as cash SM. Hundreds are people are joining everyday. Soon pre-funding will be severely limited. It will become increasingly difficult to invest/re-invest your total funds. Unfortunately you have made far too many assumptions without thinking through the history of SS. Your whole premise relies on having a static loan book, ie, the loan book size remains the same but the number of investors increases and then they get a smaller bit of the "pie". However those of us who have followed SS for more than a few weeks will have noted several things. 1. The "liquidity" of the SM is variable, anything from loans going in mili-seconds to days. This will not change. 2. People have been "gaming" the pre-funding right from the start, asking for more than they want. So when a prefund comes in at say 60%, you may find that most people actually got what they wanted in the first place, and only a few got less than they actually wanted. Recent SS changes (or possible changes) have tried to address this gaming, and we may get to a stage where gaming is not existant. 3. As more people join and invest, SS can increase the loan book pot and offer more loans, and people should have no problems investing or re-investing. And to be honest the word "popular" should be taken into context. Currently there are 7826 people signed up with SS, which if my maths is right, that 0.016% of the UK's adult population.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Apr 30, 2016 13:25:10 GMT
And of the 7,000+ signed up, there are fewer than 2,000 investing in most new loans. New signings may well be just marvelling over it for a few weeks before actually venturing their £10, or even deciding it isn't for them (but then there'll be the odd one who wants to dump a million or two in).
At some point the feast/famine cycle may well become an embarrassment. SS have a mechanism (cashback) to deal with 'too few lenders', but nothing so obvious for dealing with too many (cashback for taking your money OUT maybe? 8>. Or cashback for borrowers?)
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Post by rogerbu on Apr 30, 2016 14:24:19 GMT
It is worth remembering that many of the players in the PBL arena are fixed size (often family) funds (I dont know whether this applies to the DFL arena). They are unable to increase their size easily.
P2P lenders (like SS) have the opportunity to draw funds from us, they are therefore potentially able to grow very much faster than the 'family' funds. They are also able to satisfy a borrower's request in one hit, rather than a bit from this 'family' fund and a bit from that fund.
As a result of these advantages. Borrower's agents will naturally gravitate to the P2P lenders and they will probably grow their market %age quite quickly.
Which of course begs the question - What happens when there is a downturn?
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Post by brianac on Apr 30, 2016 19:00:13 GMT
Which of course begs the question - What happens when there is a downturn? PM will be a bit dry, but by way of consolation, there will probably be quite a lot on secondary market! (though that may depend on what else the economy is doing) Brian
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Post by mikes1531 on May 2, 2016 22:19:42 GMT
... Or cashback for borrowers? Isn't that lower interest rates?
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Post by GSV3MIaC on May 3, 2016 7:19:19 GMT
... Or cashback for borrowers? Isn't that lower interest rates? Only if you think cashback for lenders is higher interest rate. 8>.
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