oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on May 19, 2016 11:28:34 GMT
60%? Thanks. Still waiting for SS to give me that information.
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Post by sam i am on May 19, 2016 11:54:28 GMT
60%? Thanks. Still waiting for SS to give me that information. They have, indirectly. The small print at the bottom of the loan particulars tab says: EXISTING LOAN 1200000
But it would be good if they made the effective LTV a bit more obvious.
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Post by registerme on May 19, 2016 11:58:17 GMT
Also, assuming that they are sustainable, the annual mooring fees amount to about twice the annual interest payment on this loan, which provides a bit more comfort.
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Post by markdirac on May 19, 2016 12:03:08 GMT
... Savingstream please show the real LTV, including the 1st charge, 19% is misleading and could get you into hot water with the FCA. Yes, Isn't the real LTV more like 32% after the first charge is taken ? I would expect that if the 1st charge holder called in their security, that they would sell fast (why wouldn't they?) and so the 90-day valuation would be more appropriate than the valuation of £2.9M quoted on the SS "particulars" tab. The 90-day value is £2,175k. In fact, the bank may very well just let it go for say £2,000. (Am I right in thinking that the 1st charge holder has the right to sell for whatever they choose with no responsibility to the borrower or to the 2nd charge holder to maximise funds raised?). In this case, LTV = 68%.
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oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on May 19, 2016 12:06:26 GMT
60%? Thanks. Still waiting for SS to give me that information. They have, indirectly. The small print at the bottom of the loan particulars tab says:
EXISTING LOAN 1200000
But it would be good if they made the effective LTV a bit more obvious.
Oh dear! Couldn't see the wood for the trees - must admit I didn't even look at that very small grey print at the bottom -
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Post by homes119 on May 19, 2016 12:13:43 GMT
Extract from page 7 of the valuation report (bold is (mine):
There is good demand for the moorings. Moorings can be leased elsewhere along the Thames at
rental figures in the region of £350.00 - £400.00 per linear metre. This very much can be taken as an
average. The best evidence is always going to be what is being paid on the Property. In the case of
the Property, what drives the 'rents' is a mixture of location, accessibility, quality of the moorings
and back up services. The other rents are examples of what is being achieved/quoted at other
moorings where the ‘offer’ will be different.
In the case of the Property there are a number of licenses, all from different start dates and all at
different rates per meter and different sizes. The average from a number of actual lettings equates
to about £700 per linear meter per annum.
In terms of pushing the lettings, this does not appear to have been the priority of the owner who is
an architect and is more interested in the design of the boat houses (they need to be seen to be
believed) and the adjacent ‘house’ that we believe you have a separate charge over. The Borrower
has advised us that he intends to sell both the house and marina hence why the 2 big lettings have
been 'pulled'. He also intends to sell the house and we know is talking to a couple of agents on this.
The 2 may well be sold together as any owner of the house may probably want 'control' over the
marina and what goes on there.
Lower range moorings have power/water but no flush out facilities. The Property has high
specification facilities for moorings. Because of this we are of the opinion that the site would
achieve a rental-mooring figure of about £700 per linear metre supported by the actual average
being achieved.
Does anyone understand what the mean by the sentence in bold?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on May 19, 2016 12:30:11 GMT
Extract from page 7 of the valuation report (bold is (mine): There is good demand for the moorings. Moorings can be leased elsewhere along the Thames at
rental figures in the region of £350.00 - £400.00 per linear metre. This very much can be taken as an
average. The best evidence is always going to be what is being paid on the Property. In the case of
the Property, what drives the 'rents' is a mixture of location, accessibility, quality of the moorings
and back up services. The other rents are examples of what is being achieved/quoted at other
moorings where the ‘offer’ will be different.
In the case of the Property there are a number of licenses, all from different start dates and all at
different rates per meter and different sizes. The average from a number of actual lettings equates
to about £700 per linear meter per annum.
In terms of pushing the lettings, this does not appear to have been the priority of the owner who is
an architect and is more interested in the design of the boat houses (they need to be seen to be
believed) and the adjacent ‘house’ that we believe you have a separate charge over. The Borrower
has advised us that he intends to sell both the house and marina hence why the 2 big lettings have
been 'pulled'. He also intends to sell the house and we know is talking to a couple of agents on this.
The 2 may well be sold together as any owner of the house may probably want 'control' over the
marina and what goes on there.
Lower range moorings have power/water but no flush out facilities. The Property has high
specification facilities for moorings. Because of this we are of the opinion that the site would
achieve a rental-mooring figure of about £700 per linear metre supported by the actual average
being achieved.Does anyone understand what the mean by the sentence in bold? I wonder if it refers to the other bridging company referred to in the introduction and they have the charge on the house.
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Post by mikes1531 on May 19, 2016 20:55:00 GMT
Yes, Isn't the real LTV more like 32% after the first charge is taken ? I would expect that if the 1st charge holder called in their security, that they would sell fast (why wouldn't they?) and so the 90-day valuation would be more appropriate than the valuation of £2.9M quoted on the SS "particulars" tab. The 90-day value is £2,175k. In fact, the bank may very well just let it go for say £2,000. (Am I right in thinking that the 1st charge holder has the right to sell for whatever they choose with no responsibility to the borrower or to the 2nd charge holder to maximise funds raised?). In this case, LTV = 68%. If the first charge is £1.2M, and this loan is £540k, then the total borrowed is £1.74M. Based on a full value of £2.9M, the LTV would be 60%, and based on a 90-day value of £2.175M, the LTV would be 80%. If it were sold for £2M, there ought to be enough after costs/fees to cover both loans, but there wouldn't be much left for the borrower. A potentially significant risk is that the borrower stops making payments on the first charge, and it takes a while to organise a sale, during which time the late fees, etc., add considerably to the amount owed to the 1st charge holder. AIUI the 1st charge holder does have some responsibility to other charge holders, and to the borrower, to obtain a 'fair' price, but that no doubt is subject to interpretation and potential litigation. One way to satisfy that obligation is to auction the property, and if the auction is advertised well enough and not extremely rushed it probably would be enough to avoid the risk of successful litigation. Having said that, though, auction results can be quite variable, and the more unusual/unique the property the more likely an unpredictable result.
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Post by am on May 20, 2016 18:05:26 GMT
Also, assuming that they are sustainable, the annual mooring fees amount to about twice the annual interest payment on this loan, which provides a bit more comfort. On the other hand they also (in conjunction with the putative profits of the boatyard) have to cover the interest payments on the first charge.
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