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Post by ben on Jun 3, 2016 20:28:21 GMT
There has been a lot more activity today then any other previous loan and far more on secondary market then has been for quite a while after a loan.
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Jun 3, 2016 20:36:29 GMT
Under 25%... do we feel it would have been less again before the changes or have the new hold for 7 days rules had no impact at all? I don't think the new rule has had much (if any) impact on pre-funding. However, after my first extended session, today on the SM (when the bloody website wasn't down) since this 7-day rule was applied, I have found that it has affected my ability to diversify. I was happy to invest in some older loans to get rid of the Gloucestershire loans that I hold to much of, but frustratingly as better investment became available I was unable to offset them against my newly acquired older loans. Not a fan TBH...
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Post by earthbound on Jun 3, 2016 20:55:04 GMT
There has been a lot more activity today then any other previous loan and far more on secondary market then has been for quite a while after a loan. ben you quite right, i cannot remember a busier hour on the SM for the last 2 years, it was mad, loads of moaning about not being able to get in on the action, me included, everything virtually ground to a halt, bodes well for SS tho.
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Post by ben on Jun 3, 2016 21:06:59 GMT
Under 25%... do we feel it would have been less again before the changes or have the new hold for 7 days rules had no impact at all? I don't think the new rule has had much (if any) impact on pre-funding. However, after my first extended session, today on the SM (when the bloody website wasn't down) since this 7-day rule was applied, I have found that it has affected my ability to diversify. I was happy to invest in some older loans to get rid of the Gloucestershire loans that I hold to much of, but frustratingly as better investment became available I was unable to offset them against my newly acquired older loans. Not a fan TBH... I think the next big loan people will not try to prefund as much. Think a lot of people got a shock when they could not just sell it and panicked sold other items
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Post by mikes1531 on Jun 3, 2016 21:09:09 GMT
There has been a lot more activity today then any other previous loan and far more on secondary market then has been for quite a while after a loan. Might this be a knock-on effect of the PBL020 default? What I mean is that in the past people might have been more willing to increase their overall SS investment. So when they were allocated some of a new loan they'd clear their negative balance by transferring in funds. If they don't want to increase their overall investment at the moment then instead of funding their new allocation by investing more they're selling some other loan parts and that's why we're seeing more SM activity. Is that a plausible explanation of what we're seeing?
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Post by harvey on Jun 3, 2016 21:15:07 GMT
There has been a lot more activity today then any other previous loan and far more on secondary market then has been for quite a while after a loan. Might this be a knock-on effect of the PBL020 default? What I mean is that in the past people might have been more willing to increase their overall SS investment. So when they were allocated some of a new loan they'd clear their negative balance by transferring in funds. If they don't want to increase their overall investment at the moment then instead of funding their new allocation by investing more they're selling some other loan parts and that's why we're seeing more SM activity. Is that a plausible explanation of what we're seeing? Yes because that's exactly how I'm thinking and what I did this afternoon. I got sub £1,000 allocations in the two loans that went live today. That was because I didn't feel happy enough about them to want bigger slices so I set my pre funding quite low and I was quite happy with what I got given what I thought about the loans. With that relatively small amount of new funding to find, in the past I might have been inclined to transfer in new money from my bank account rather than sell off bits of other things to pay for it. But with the way things are I have decided not to increase my overall investment in saving stream platform and to just keep things as they are and diversify a bit more when the opportunity arises such as today. I sold smallish chunks of about 7 or 8 loans to finance my new allocations whereas in the past I probably wouldn't have done that.
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Post by sam i am on Jun 3, 2016 21:19:43 GMT
I've always said that I'm happy to play by the rules whatever the rules are. If savingstream want to change the rules, fine. If that means I can't sell newly acquired loans for 7 days, fine. If that means a more active SM, good. But it's not acceptable that I can't play by the rules because the platform falls over. An Internet company IS its website and if the website fails then the company has failed. savingstream must have a robust platform that can handle the traffic that it is attracting. Not to fix this because they think they get enough business anyway is a slippery slope. I have been a strong supporter of savingstream over the past year and I still am. But my greatest criticism is that that the company is becoming increasingly arrogant and for me that is a big turn off.
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Post by ben on Jun 3, 2016 21:20:28 GMT
If the one default is putting people of investing in SS then I suggest that they really need to look at if they want to invest in these kind of sites, defaults are to be expected. Previously people have been putting in far more in to SS then they ever wanted and were unwilling to hold with the expectation that they could sell it on the SM at least this default has shown them that SS is not the golden goose that will carry on paying 12% no matter what.
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Post by Liz on Jun 3, 2016 21:27:22 GMT
I scaled back my prefunding, and got a lot less than I wanted. I just don't know what to prefund next time.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jun 3, 2016 21:47:58 GMT
I scaled back my prefunding, and got a lot less than I wanted. I just don't know what to prefund next time. Expect a total pre-fund of about £7-8M, as happened today and on 14/May when the last two large loans were released? That might be too high if the loan being released is quite large, or if there is only a short gap since the previous large loan was released.
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Post by harvey on Jun 3, 2016 22:10:25 GMT
Given the unusually high amount of stuff for sale on the secondary market this afternoon after the new loans went live I would suggest that some investors are still coming to terms with the new terms whereby you can't sell the surplus in what you have just been given for 7 days.
My guess would be that the pre funding level people set next time around will be lower which will result in higher percentage allocations and a bit less secondary market action right afterwards.
I get the impression that some people were a bit caught out by this and panicked a bit when they realised they couldn't sell what they had just been given.
I think it is probably the case that there are some pretty casual, time short investors on the platform who don't read all the emails and updates and perhaps hadn't all twigged about the change.
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Post by harvey on Jun 3, 2016 22:17:39 GMT
If the one default is putting people of investing in SS then I suggest that they really need to look at if they want to invest in these kind of sites, defaults are to be expected. Previously people have been putting in far more in to SS then they ever wanted and were unwilling to hold with the expectation that they could sell it on the SM at least this default has shown them that SS is not the golden goose that will carry on paying 12% no matter what. I find myself agreeing with you in a way although perhaps not in the way you intended. What I mean is I think this garden centre default could end up being a blessing in disguise in that it will concentrate people's minds and realign them to the real situation and the real risk and make people make more rational and researched and informed decisions about their investments in the future. As long as things go along without any significant default and people are trousering 12% they can get lulled into a false sense of security and put themselves at more risk than they should be putting themselves at.
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Post by ben on Jun 3, 2016 22:50:50 GMT
If the one default is putting people of investing in SS then I suggest that they really need to look at if they want to invest in these kind of sites, defaults are to be expected. Previously people have been putting in far more in to SS then they ever wanted and were unwilling to hold with the expectation that they could sell it on the SM at least this default has shown them that SS is not the golden goose that will carry on paying 12% no matter what. I find myself agreeing with you in a way although perhaps not in the way you intended. What I mean is I think this garden centre default could end up being a blessing in disguise in that it will concentrate people's minds and realign them to the real situation and the real risk and make people make more rational and researched and informed decisions about their investments in the future. As long as things go along without any significant default and people are trousering 12% they can get lulled into a false sense of security and put themselves at more risk than they should be putting themselves at. I agree there has been plenty of posts on here with people basically just saying they buy what ever is avalaible and diversify later without thinking what might happen if they can not diversify.
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Post by NSFW on Jun 4, 2016 10:19:07 GMT
I was surprised how little I was allocated for 103/104 considering it's meant to fill from the bottom up. Guess I miscalculated.
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Post by cooling_dude on Jun 4, 2016 10:21:20 GMT
I was surprised how little I was allocated for 103/104 considering it's meant to fill from the bottom up. Guess I miscalculated. It wasn't bottoms up; you got a % of what you requested in pre-funding. In 103 & 104 we got 23% & 28% respectively. Loans Less than 1mill is Bottoms Up Loans over 1mill is allocation
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