cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Aug 11, 2016 22:21:26 GMT
I would guess any fees charged by SS upfront would be covering the interest at this point still. There's the arrangement fee which is 4% (which I pretty sure they take upfront), which works out at about 70k. This easily covers the interest that SS have paid to SS investors so far (about 40k).
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 11, 2016 23:19:25 GMT
Makes absolutely no sense to me ......... I reckon they'll pay this back on the same day that the Arboretum DFL launches. Unlikely, PBL058 still in legals as of yesterday, which I suspect is shorthand for lawyer holiday
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Post by tomtom on Aug 16, 2016 6:19:10 GMT
I keep looking at this loan and have a small ammount invested, the way I see it is that this loan since it has not been drawn down must be one of the safest loans on this site as long as SS does not have any problems with liquidity and paying the interesed each day/month.
If my assumption is correct why is there any part of this loan available on the SM?
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Post by mattie on Aug 16, 2016 7:40:49 GMT
I keep looking at this loan and have a small ammount invested, the way I see it is that this loan since it has not been drawn down must be one of the safest loans on this site as long as SS does not have any problems with liquidity and paying the interesed each day/month. If my assumption is correct why is there any part of this loan available on the SM? My part is on the SM because: - I had bought some of PBL 104 at the start
- I thought SS were going to cancel PBL 104
- I thought if PBL 104 was cancelled, the SM would quickly dry up as people found new homes for their money, particularly of anything with plenty of time left to run.
- I bought some of other loans I liked the look of in advance, which I hoped would be paid for when my money was returned from PBL 104 by SS
- PBL 104 hasn't been cancelled and the money hasn't been returned (yet)!
- I can't sell the other loans because I have had them for less than 7 days.
- The only thing I can do is to sell PBL 104
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 9:41:03 GMT
I keep looking at this loan and have a small ammount invested, the way I see it is that this loan since it has not been drawn down must be one of the safest loans on this site as long as SS does not have any problems with liquidity and paying the interesed each day/month. If my assumption is correct why is there any part of this loan available on the SM? Well, if this is not cancelled, then it is exactly becase there is still some chance ('risk') that the borrower will complete the deal, otherwise SS would have cancelled it by now. And given the very little time available, this is one of the most likely to derail from plan (i.e. at very least will need an immediate extension). I would like a cleaer indication of things by SS. It is incredible that they still haven't made up their minds on it (and if they did, they should have closed it many weeks ago)
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Post by fp on Aug 16, 2016 13:38:50 GMT
I keep looking at this loan and have a small ammount invested, the way I see it is that this loan since it has not been drawn down must be one of the safest loans on this site as long as SS does not have any problems with liquidity and paying the interesed each day/month. If my assumption is correct why is there any part of this loan available on the SM? My part is on the SM because: - I had bought some of PBL 104 at the start
- I thought SS were going to cancel PBL 104
- I thought if PBL 104 was cancelled, the SM would quickly dry up as people found new homes for their money, particularly of anything with plenty of time left to run.
- I bought some of other loans I liked the look of in advance, which I hoped would be paid for when my money was returned from PBL 104 by SS
- PBL 104 hasn't been cancelled and the money hasn't been returned (yet)!
- I can't sell the other loans because I have had them for less than 7 days.
- The only thing I can do is to sell PBL 104
It is also currently "unsecured"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 8:17:40 GMT
It is also currently "unsecured" The money is still with SS, i.e. never went to the potential borrower. From this point of view (and until it is in the SS hands) this is one of the most secure situations to be in (i.e. you have hard cash and not a 'security'). But clearly, SS cannot continue and not take a serious decision now. It is also a question of reputation. A bridging company cannot stay months and months waiting, paying lenders from their own balance just because they cannot take decisions (to stop a loan where it is evident the non-start). This 'missing action' also raises the doubt they might have cashflow problems (i.e. they might not have cash in hand the 1.75 mil they have to give back to lenders) and this would be for me the only possible explanation for their lack of decisions here.
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SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Aug 17, 2016 8:40:49 GMT
and this would be for me the only possible explanation for their lack of decisions here. Really? The ONLY explanation you can think of? How about perhaps that the borrower has paid SS something extra (on top of the standard upfront fees) to keep the funding line open as long as possible? Or that the intermediary has waived their commission until/unless it completes? Or ... No clue what's actually going on but your suggestion that "cashflow problems" is the only possible explanation strikes me to be ludicrous scare-mongering.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 9:09:23 GMT
and this would be for me the only possible explanation for their lack of decisions here. Really? The ONLY explanation you can think of? How about perhaps that the borrower has paid SS something extra (on top of the standard upfront fees) to keep the funding line open as long as possible? Or that the intermediary has waived their commission until/unless it completes? Or ... No clue what's actually going on but your suggestion that "cashflow problems" is the only possible explanation strikes me to be ludicrous scare-mongering. I said clearly 'for me', i.e. based on my experience. If you have different opinions you are welcome to express, but please don't insult (or call ludicrous) people thinking differently. It is also UNACCEPTABLE from a moderator.... Your suggestions might be valid for a short period of time. But we have a situation which is getting far too long. The loan is almost finished and the company has still not decided what to do? This does not fit with my ideas of fast moving company taking prudent decisions.
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SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Aug 17, 2016 9:44:29 GMT
I said clearly 'for me', i.e. based on my experience. If you have different opinions you are welcome to express, but please don't insult (or call ludicrous) people thinking differently. It is also UNACCEPTABLE from a moderator.... As my signature states, my posts are always in a personal capacity unless it says otherwise. I'll leave it to the rest of the Mod team to deliberate on your reporting of my post but, for someone who rarely misses an opportunity to express his opinions in the most forthright of terms, you appear to have a pretty thin skin when someone pushes back. I'm sorry if you feel I was insulting you personally, which I was not. However, I continue to consider the suggestion that any delay in cancelling PBL104 can only be down to SS facing "cashflow problems" to be ludicrous scare-mongering. That's my opinion and I'm expressing it.
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Post by star dust on Aug 17, 2016 9:47:25 GMT
But clearly, SS cannot continue and not take a serious decision now. It is also a question of reputation. A bridging company cannot stay months and months waiting, paying lenders from their own balance just because they cannot take decisions (to stop a loan where it is evident the non-start). This 'missing action' also raises the doubt they might have cashflow problems (i.e. they might not have cash in hand the 1.75 mil they have to give back to lenders) and this would be for me the only possible explanation for their lack of decisions here. It’s not the first time loans have taken an inordinate time to drawdown, PBL’s 11-13 and 19 – took 4/5 months IIRC and in those days interest accumulated and wasn’t paid 'till drawdown so more nail biting from the investors' point of view. There are examples of SS pulling the plug on loans before drawdown, and another – the wood - PBL52, where they initially pulled the plug but the loan was re-listed some six (?) months down the line. There may come an occasion where they get it wrong, but it seems to me they get it right most times, and I am sure for this loan they have the info they want to weigh in favour of continuing to wait at the moment.
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Post by Liz on Aug 17, 2016 9:51:25 GMT
It is also currently "unsecured" The money is still with SS, i.e. never went to the potential borrower. From this point of view (and until it is in the SS hands) this is one of the most secure situations to be in (i.e. you have hard cash and not a 'security'). But clearly, SS cannot continue and not take a serious decision now. It is also a question of reputation. A bridging company cannot stay months and months waiting, paying lenders from their own balance just because they cannot take decisions (to stop a loan where it is evident the non-start). This 'missing action' also raises the doubt they might have cashflow problems (i.e. they might not have cash in hand the 1.75 mil they have to give back to lenders) and this would be for me the only possible explanation for their lack of decisions here. savingstream please confirm that is ludicrous to suggest you don't have the £1.75m, to give back to lenders.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 9:57:50 GMT
But clearly, SS cannot continue and not take a serious decision now. It is also a question of reputation. A bridging company cannot stay months and months waiting, paying lenders from their own balance just because they cannot take decisions (to stop a loan where it is evident the non-start). This 'missing action' also raises the doubt they might have cashflow problems (i.e. they might not have cash in hand the 1.75 mil they have to give back to lenders) and this would be for me the only possible explanation for their lack of decisions here. It’s not the first time loans have taken an inordinate time to drawdown, PBL’s 11-13 and 19 – took 4/5 months IIRC and in those days interest accumulated and wasn’t paid 'till drawdown so more nail biting from the investors' point of view. There are examples of SS pulling the plug on loans before drawdown, and another – the wood - PBL52, where they initially pulled the plug but the loan was re-listed some six (?) months down the line. There may come an occasion where they get it wrong, but it seems to me they get it right most times, and I am sure for this loan they have the info they want to weigh in favour of continuing to wait at the moment. Pulling it out and eventually relisting it later (if borrowers full requirements are finally met) is the most prudent move and this is what I would have done long time ago. This way you keep a good relationship with the borrower/broker, but state clearly that some initial requirements must be met before proceeding. That is definitely a cleaner and more professional way of running a 'difficult' loan like this (if you have the available cashflow to immediately refund the lenders).
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Post by star dust on Aug 17, 2016 10:32:47 GMT
Pulling it out and eventually relisting it later (if borrowers full requirements are finally met) is the most prudent move and this is what I would have done long time ago. This way you keep a good relationship with the borrower/broker, but state clearly that some initial requirements must be met before proceeding. That is definitely a cleaner and more professional way of running a 'difficult' loan like this (if you have the available cashflow to immediately refund the lenders). I don’t have the full details, but I don’t see a lack of ‘professionalism’ here, if you don’t like the way you perceive SS do business don’t invest with them. I think your repeated intimations of cash-flow difficulties are bordering on the libellous.
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Post by Jeepers on Aug 17, 2016 10:35:15 GMT
Why wouldn't they have the money to return to lenders? It was never lent out in the first place.
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