stevio
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Post by stevio on Jun 1, 2016 20:10:37 GMT
*I would prefer a Lenders perspective in this thread and would appreciate if AC didn't feel they have to answer/debate/justify their platform based on Lenders comments if that's ok, it's purely someone's perspective of the platform, rightly or wrongly
I am looking for another platform to diversify in, initially I have avoided AC due to the appearance of higher than average defaults, however I feel I really need another platform or two in my portfolio
How have others found this platform - would you recommend it? If so why, if not, why? What would you like to have known or have been told/warned/advised about prior to your investing in the platform? Good and bad points?
Interested in average ballpark rates, security, how quickly can get invested
Just general ideas, no great depth needed - is it worth my time researching further?
Thanks
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Post by jonah on Jun 1, 2016 20:37:36 GMT
Yes.
Slightly longer? Yes they have some defaults but seem to do well getting cash back. Currently going through a drop in rates and (hopefully) temporary in throughput but assuming those pick up I like them. I don't think they will go back to 12-15% loans very often, but for a low effort (best like an allocation approach between investors in my opinion) buying up pieces works, once you get your head around it.
Personally I also quite like the GBBA but if you prefer rolling our own, I suspect the mlia (manual loan selection ) may not quite be up to other platforms in terms of rates, but can't have everything.
It one of my current 5 platforms. It is one of my top two ISA picks. It probably won't ever be more than 20% of my p2p.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jun 1, 2016 21:02:58 GMT
Yes, it's worth a look. I like the 'tell the computer what you want and it'll eventually do it for you', which avoids the clickfest at SS or FC. The rates are not stellar, but communication is good (even on defaults), they ask lenders what to do about defaulting loans ('stick, twist or bust' .. 8>.), they have penalty rates for overruns built in to the agreements (unlike FC for instance, who seem to wing it every time a bullet loan fails to repay on time). The platform is a little difficult to get your head around (being a bit of all things to all people), and there are some items that remain unclear (you can have your spare funds swept into the Quick Access Account to earn modest interest .. unless it is 'full' .. if you can find a definition of exactly how that works, you're a better man than I am, Gunga Din). The concept is good .. you can park your money in AC (in the QAA, or even the 30 day account) rather than having to keep moving it in and out daily (as on other platforms), but the execution is not flawless.
I'd like more deal flow, higher rates, and an ISA. I'd also like to be able to 'program' the MLIA (bid me £X in loans which meet the following criteria, £Y in those which meet these criteria ... .. and £Z in the rest). But I still liked the platform enough to subscribe a minute amount to their capital raising via SEEDRS, which I don't do often.
I'm also impressed that Chris shows up here and appears to know at least what the platform is supposed to do and why (and will oft times tell us).
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Post by SteveT on Jun 1, 2016 21:10:55 GMT
Er, basically what GSV3MIaC said Not my biggest platform, but in my top 5. Not sure I'd be comfortable parking my AC money in any of the other 4 (on top of what's already there) so it provides valuable diversification. Headline average rate is a little lower than some but then I think they have one of the better (or at least battle-hardened) approaches to managing defaults. QAA sweeping of idle funds (when there isn't a queue) is a nice cherry on the cake. They were recently running a "3% CB on up to £5k" new lender offer via Lovemoney, but that may have ended by now.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 1, 2016 21:34:39 GMT
As per others, one of my main 5 platforms. Can be a bit fiddly before you get the hang of it. Pretty liquid SM generally and the possiblity of using discounts if you want to shift something quickly.
Offers a nice range of accounts with varied rates, protection and liquidity in addition to the build your own portfolio option and the option to sweep univested funds to avoid dead time is good (usually)
Sometimes can be a bit obtuse in the way they do things, ie 7 day buffer on repayments which has been known to stretch to a month or more, what constitutes a default can a times seem a little confusing and while their comms is generally excellent sometimes the logic of their responses baffles me.
Most of the time I like the platform a lot, but every now and again I will be banging my head on the desk.
Edit Lovemoney cashback offer has finished, but they have suggested something else will appear shortly, maybe even the much promised referral scheme.
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stevio
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Post by stevio on Jun 2, 2016 19:43:51 GMT
3 moderators responses suggest it might be for the battle hardened ;(
Will definitely look into further thanks
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jun 2, 2016 20:53:52 GMT
Not 'battle hardened', just that it (and we) have all been around a long time. Of course what AC looks like now bears little resemblance to what AC looked like a few years ago .. and I mean that in a good way, mostly. 8>.
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Post by bababill on Jun 9, 2016 10:03:15 GMT
A few years ago I decided I wouldn't touch Assetz with a bargepole due to default rates. This year I decided to revisit and they are now comfortably in my top three platforms.
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Post by arbster on Jun 9, 2016 11:22:13 GMT
I'm also minded to dip my toe into the water here, at last, with the general sentiment on the forum having improved and my ongoing unwillingness to increase my investment in FC. A referral programme or some other form of inducement will be required, however, as investing without one would appear to be an opportunity missed.
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min
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Post by min on Jun 9, 2016 11:58:10 GMT
I'm also minded to dip my toe into the water here, at last, with the general sentiment on the forum having improved and my ongoing unwillingness to increase my investment in FC. A referral programme or some other form of inducement will be required, however, as investing without one would appear to be an opportunity missed. Apparently referral programme is in the pipeline.I'm sure chris can tell you more.
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Post by chris on Jun 9, 2016 12:03:52 GMT
I'm also minded to dip my toe into the water here, at last, with the general sentiment on the forum having improved and my ongoing unwillingness to increase my investment in FC. A referral programme or some other form of inducement will be required, however, as investing without one would appear to be an opportunity missed. Apparently referral programme is in the pipeline.I'm sure chris can tell you more. It's been approved but not yet had coding time, plus given the surplus of lender funds we're not likely to do anything in June until the backlog has cleared. There's a big push from the exec to get loans drawn in June and July to completely clear the build up of funds, or with the GEIA as best we can within that timeframe. So perhaps late July / early August I'll be pressured into delivering the referral scheme with an August go live date. But no promises just yet as there are a lot of priorities vying for attention.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jun 9, 2016 15:49:31 GMT
At the current time you might be better employed looking at code for a disinvestment incentive scheme .. something like 1% cash-back for people who take their money away to some place less crowded for a month or two? I do like the AC allocation mechanism, when it has something to grind on, but for quite a while now 'drought' is altogether too apt a description of (inbound) liquidity. 8>.
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Post by chris on Jun 9, 2016 16:08:50 GMT
At the current time you might be better employed looking at code for a disinvestment incentive scheme .. something like 1% cash-back for people who take their money away to some place less crowded for a month or two? I do like the AC allocation mechanism, when it has something to grind on, but for quite a while now 'drought' is altogether too apt a description of (inbound) liquidity. 8>. Isn't the answer to that more loans? I know the current pipeline isn't to everyone's tastes but given current demand it's clear there is some love for what we're doing. We have both short and longer term plans to alleviate the drought, first loans to draw tomorrow but with a steady flow by the end of the month.
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Post by Butch Cassidy on Jun 9, 2016 16:20:43 GMT
At the current time you might be better employed looking at code for a disinvestment incentive scheme .. something like 1% cash-back for people who take their money away to some place less crowded for a month or two? I do like the AC allocation mechanism, when it has something to grind on, but for quite a while now 'drought' is altogether too apt a description of (inbound) liquidity. 8>. Isn't the answer to that more loans? I know the current pipeline isn't to everyone's tastes but given current demand it's clear there is some love for what we're doing. We have both short and longer term plans to alleviate the drought, first loans to draw tomorrow but with a steady flow by the end of the month. You will get a very different answer to how attractive more 7/8/9% loans are depending on who you ask!
Rather depends on where your funds are coming from; the avalanche of incoming Building Society Savers who previously enjoyed <1% or MLIA investors who are looking @ loans such as #166, currently paying 15%, due to repay next week but AC adamantly refuse to say what the rollover/new rate will be (other than significantly lower).
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Post by chris on Jun 9, 2016 16:36:44 GMT
Isn't the answer to that more loans? I know the current pipeline isn't to everyone's tastes but given current demand it's clear there is some love for what we're doing. We have both short and longer term plans to alleviate the drought, first loans to draw tomorrow but with a steady flow by the end of the month. You will get a very different answer to how attractive more 7/8/9% loans are depending on who you ask!
Rather depends on where your funds are coming from; the avalanche of incoming Building Society Savers who previously enjoyed <1% or MLIA investors who are looking @ loans such as #166, currently paying 15%, due to repay next week but AC adamantly refuse to say what the rollover/new rate will be (other than significantly lower). Yes you will get different answers, and whilst we want to offer loans that are attractive to every lender I suspect the early adopters have been somewhat spoiled due to their previous liquidity premium and that as the market moves more mainstream, both with borrowers and lenders, they're going to have to keep moving to remain in within one niche or another. Just as a fictitious example why would a quality borrower pay us 15% so we can pay lenders 12% if they're also aware of RS and FC and can either pay RS 7% or so or change to an unsecured loan with FC? At the same time as there has been more competition we've also steadily tightened our credit policy which in turn has moved us further towards the mainstream lending and away from the 12+% niche.
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