mikes1531
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 7, 2017 14:38:40 GMT
I'll bet that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of investors holding 1p in order to be kept informed. I am. I've obviously overinvested -- I have 6p at risk. I did it in order to be kept informed, but I can't remember when I last received an email about this loan. The extra investment gives me the opportunity to drop an occasional 1p into the sale queue so I can see how part sales are progressing. The penny part that I offered for sale on 5/Oct has progressed to the point that it's only £5,389.44 from the front of the queue!
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Jan 7, 2017 16:32:20 GMT
I've also got 1p invested (for the updates - used to based for avoiding loans I disliked) Actually, It's the 3rd 1p I have invested. I had 1p invested when the default occurred and it sold a couple of days later (just before the red box was applied), and the second 1p sold 20th of September. My current 1p is 19k in the queue .... sometimes I wonder why I bother with all this DD lark
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Post by ablender on Jan 7, 2017 17:28:40 GMT
So you both are loosing all that interest on 1p.
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littleoldlady
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Post by littleoldlady on Jan 7, 2017 20:52:53 GMT
I'll bet that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of investors holding 1p in order to be kept informed. I am. I've obviously overinvested -- I have 6p at risk. I did it in order to be kept informed, but I can't remember when I last received an email about this loan. The extra investment gives me the opportunity to drop an occasional 1p into the sale queue so I can see how part sales are progressing. The penny part that I offered for sale on 5/Oct has progressed to the point that it's only £5,389.44 from the front of the queue! Incredible. Who is buying? Supreme optimists? SS?
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mikes1531
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 7, 2017 21:50:49 GMT
I've obviously overinvested -- I have 6p at risk. I did it in order to be kept informed, but I can't remember when I last received an email about this loan. The extra investment gives me the opportunity to drop an occasional 1p into the sale queue so I can see how part sales are progressing. The penny part that I offered for sale on 5/Oct has progressed to the point that it's only £5,389.44 from the front of the queue! Incredible. Who is buying? Supreme optimists? SS? Offering a new part up for sale shows the queue to be £45,198, while the loan page says there is £77,611 available. That suggests that £32,413 of what's for sale belongs to SS/underwriters. IIRC, that amount hasn't changed in months, so that should mean that SS aren't doing any buying. A part that I added to the sale queue today now has £3,280 behind it, so the queue got longer today. As for who's buying, I really haven't a clue. The naive?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 22:17:26 GMT
Incredible. Who is buying? Supreme optimists? SS? Offering a new part up for sale shows the queue to be £45,198, while the loan page says there is £77,611 available. That suggests that £32,413 of what's for sale belongs to SS/underwriters. IIRC, that amount hasn't changed in months, so that should mean that SS aren't doing any buying. A part that I added to the sale queue today now has £3,280 behind it, so the queue got longer today. As for who's buying, I really haven't a clue. The naive? If there is 77k for sale why does it say all loans are fully funded on the available loans page?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 7, 2017 22:20:32 GMT
Offering a new part up for sale shows the queue to be £45,198, while the loan page says there is £77,611 available. That suggests that £32,413 of what's for sale belongs to SS/underwriters. IIRC, that amount hasn't changed in months, so that should mean that SS aren't doing any buying. A part that I added to the sale queue today now has £3,280 behind it, so the queue got longer today. As for who's buying, I really haven't a clue. The naive? If there is 77k for sale why does it say all loans are fully funded on the available loans page? Because that only applies to non-defaulted loans. Defaulted loans are separate and have their own tab
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Jan 7, 2017 22:22:17 GMT
Offering a new part up for sale shows the queue to be £45,198, while the loan page says there is £77,611 available. That suggests that £32,413 of what's for sale belongs to SS/underwriters. IIRC, that amount hasn't changed in months, so that should mean that SS aren't doing any buying. A part that I added to the sale queue today now has £3,280 behind it, so the queue got longer today. As for who's buying, I really haven't a clue. The naive? If there is 77k for sale why does it say all loans are fully funded on the available loans page? It's under the Default TAB. It used to be in the available loan TAB, but SS created a dedicated TAB for defaulted loans (which, from a business minded POV is a good move; no point having a defaulted loan on the first page you land on when signing in to SS )
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 22:40:29 GMT
If there is 77k for sale why does it say all loans are fully funded on the available loans page? It's under the Default TAB. It used to be in the available loan TAB, but SS created a dedicated TAB for defaulted loans (which, from a business minded POV is a good move; no point having a defaulted loan on the first page you land on when signing in to SS ) And people are buying this?? From a dedicated default page!! What manor of madness is this?? It's 12% not a roulette black or red double your money scenario, why risk it?
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Post by vmail on Jan 7, 2017 22:59:54 GMT
They hid it under default page, so now it is difficult to sell.
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Jan 7, 2017 23:14:30 GMT
It's under the Default TAB. It used to be in the available loan TAB, but SS created a dedicated TAB for defaulted loans (which, from a business minded POV is a good move; no point having a defaulted loan on the first page you land on when signing in to SS ) And people are buying this?? From a dedicated default page!! What manor of madness is this?? It's 12% not a roulette black or red double your money scenario, why risk it? Nobody knows apart from those who are buying it. However, I do think that the text in the red box is misleading; there has been no confirmation from SS that the PF will be used to cover any shortfall, and they have said since the default that they will use the PF at their discretion. However, the text makes it sounds like the interest will be paid once the security is sold, regardless of any shortfall
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Post by GeorgeT on Jan 7, 2017 23:29:09 GMT
It's under the Default TAB. It used to be in the available loan TAB, but SS created a dedicated TAB for defaulted loans (which, from a business minded POV is a good move; no point having a defaulted loan on the first page you land on when signing in to SS ) And people are buying this?? From a dedicated default page!! What manor of madness is this?? It's 12% not a roulette black or red double your money scenario, why risk it? Because it is a safer investment than several other loans. There are a number of different loans where receivers have been instructed and the reality is those lines are in a similar position to this one. The only difference is that they have put this one under the defaulted loans tab and let the others under the main tab. The reason this line has better prospects than some of the others is because it is the only loan involving receivers where saving stream have stated clearly in writing that interest will be paid at the end when it is all sorted out. It would be a normal us for them to pay interest on people's Investments but not return the actual Investments on which the interest was accrued. Therefore this loan has a higher priority in the payout packing order because you have the written guarantee on this one which you don't have on certain others and that is why I believe many investors are happy to continue to hold it because even though they don't know when they will get there investment and all the interest they no they will get it and the same cannot be said for a few of the other loans. The only Circumstance in which people would not receive their 12% would be in the event of the whole platform failing and saving stream not having the money to pay out but if that were to be the case the whole thing would be kaput so again this particular loan is not at any greater risk It goes without saying that other loans with long terms where receivers have not been appointed are better bats but at a time of famine it's still a good deal if you don't mind waiting an unknown period of time to get your money and interest
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Post by Carter on Jan 8, 2017 0:49:12 GMT
I'm struggling here...what's the right emoticon for "get a reality check"?
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Post by lobster on Jan 8, 2017 7:06:54 GMT
I'm most certainly NOT invested in this loan, but nevertheless I think that it will probably pay out in full plus interest. It will most likely take a big chunk out the SS provision fund, but I think that it will be worthwhile for SS in terms of platform credibility. SS will still then be able to claim "no investor has lost a penny etc etc" and that will be worth a lot to them in terms of investor confidence.
However I did use the word "probably" above, which begs the question "Is PBL020 worth a gamble ?". Personally I think not, and it's much better to be patient and pick up what we can of longer dated loans , or of course, invest on an other platforms.
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Post by Jeepers on Jan 8, 2017 9:10:11 GMT
There's no reason to invest at 12%. It doesn't justify the risk.
It would be much more interesting if at the point the loan is declared defaulted and interest stops being paid monthly that it accures and the final holder of the loan part receives the interest for the entire period.
If that was put into practice now, the risk tolerant buyer could get an extra 12% in interest (potentially) but comes at a much greater risk of capital loss.
It also helps the sellers who just want their money back.
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