stevio
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Post by stevio on Jun 11, 2016 12:27:56 GMT
In answer so far.. all i can say is its nice to know that im not the only one who feels overweight in p2p, but at the moment still have a feel good factor, my confidence in the platforms im involved in remains good, especially MoneyThing 1st and then savingstream and collateral who i hope longer term can follows the MT and SS route. edit... comments so far have been really great. Overweight in 2 ways 1) % of assets in P2P 2) % of loans on small number of platforms But what can you do? Is it best to diversify: 1) Elsewhere 2) Other platforms At the moment I am going with gut feeling - if I don't like it, don't do it - so I have been stuck with high % in P2P and on only a small number of platforms - but this may turn out to have been the right choice, who knows?
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Post by Harland Kearney on Jun 11, 2016 13:38:42 GMT
I think P2P industry will have some interesting months and years ahead of it. I like and use AC's GBBA, 30DAA and QAA as a more automated method of P2P. You pay for this, with lower returns but the risk is "reduced" because of the provision fund and the way the 30DAA and QAA pay on the 1st of each month.
I'm currently invested in FC quite a bit, I've never actually had any issues so far, and I see alot.. alot of FC bashing on these forums so until further notice I'm holding any large further investments into P2P to see how things pan out in the next few months.
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Post by stevefindlay on Jun 12, 2016 19:13:59 GMT
Just my opinion but I think anyone willing to put an overweight chunk of their savings into P2P has some big stone bollocks and you have my respect... Disclaimer: I'm an avid fan of p2p and have a sizable sum invested across multiple platforms bluechip Financial Thing earthbound On the subject of allocation to P2P Lending - as part of a cash investment strategy (i.e. getting a better return on your savings and cash-type investments) - our view is that 20-25% feels like the a good level for an allocation to P2P Lending. With the rest in a combination of standard bank accounts (savings account & regular access), cash ISAs etc and gilts & bonds (if you have access to these). But clearly it all depends on your personal circumstances and appetite to risk...
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Post by Harland Kearney on Jun 12, 2016 20:40:47 GMT
I have a question, I don't mean to hijack the thread, but talking about risk appetite. I understand the idea of a balanced portfolio across different cash investment types for retirees and those looking to expand their pension pot. But what about for people such as my age, 18-19 who run self employed businesses and whos situation to takes risks can be more forgivable. Me personally, I haven't been around long enough to fully flesh into all different cash investment types, sticking only to AC, FC for around 30 percent of my liquid and the rest in ISA/Bonds and savings with the banks ofc. Looking into real estate currently, but lets not get too of topic
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Post by earthbound on Jun 12, 2016 20:55:09 GMT
I have a question, I don't mean to hijack the thread, but talking about risk appetite. I understand the idea of a balanced portfolio across different cash investment types for retirees and those looking to expand their pension pot. But what about for people such as my age, 18-19 who run self employed businesses and whos situation to takes risks can be more forgivable. Me personally, I haven't been around long enough to fully flesh into all different cash investment types, sticking only to AC, FC for around 30 percent of my liquid and the rest in ISA/Bonds and savings with the banks ofc. Looking into real estate currently, but lets not get too of topic Harland.. at 18 years old, why the heck have you got a risk appetite?.. 1st go to the pub... then... You want something.. go for it.. you will learn nothing without risking it first, you have a whole life of weighing up risks ahead of you .. kids, mortgage, loans, student fees, car insurance etc etc ..... there's only one type of ' flesh' you should be thinking of at 18 yrs old..and only one type of 'liquid'.....Just my old duffer opinion.. but enjoy yourself anyway..Ahh 18..lucky sod.
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Post by Harland Kearney on Jun 12, 2016 22:16:54 GMT
Hahaha I know I couldn't agree more x3. However it is only because my current business is producing a very neat profit margin quarterly (5 figures) and requires no further investment. I originally put my profit into ISA's and savings solely but was honestly a laughable rate of return (especially regarding Business savings accounts; anything between 0.05 percent and 0.15 is the norm) So I decided to invest the figures like all of us here into other areas of investment. 18 or not, there's a good reward for saving early :3.
But to keep on track with the thread, I was thinking of a dipping a toe or 2 into SS in a few weeks.
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Post by ablrateandy on Jun 12, 2016 22:18:30 GMT
Invest in more small businesses. Find mates you trust who are struggling to get going. Offer some support and cash for shares. Enjoy having a disposable income
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Post by Financial Thing on Jun 13, 2016 15:45:17 GMT
Hahaha I know I couldn't agree more x3. However it is only because my current business is producing a very neat profit margin quarterly (5 figures) and requires no further investment. I originally put my profit into ISA's and savings solely but was honestly a laughable rate of return (especially regarding Business savings accounts; anything between 0.05 percent and 0.15 is the norm) So I decided to invest the figures like all of us here into other areas of investment. 18 or not, there's a good reward for saving early :3. But to keep on track with the thread, I was thinking of a dipping a toe or 2 into SS in a few weeks. Well done Harland, sounds like you're an astute young man. Investing early is the way to become a millionaire! If I were 18 (Im 43 now) and investing all over again with what's available now, here's how I'd invest: 60% into stock index tracker fund (US, not FTSE) 20% P2P 10% Global Bond Tracker fund 10% cash isa You can change these allocations depending on your risk appetite and also as you get older. I've been through some severe economic ups and downs so this allocation would make me sleep comfortable at night. PS. Forgot to add, buy and hold forever and keep buying through the lows and the highs. Only time you can lose money in the stock market is when you sell.
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Post by shimself on Jun 13, 2016 17:07:18 GMT
Invest in more small businesses. Find mates you trust who are struggling to get going. Offer some support and cash for shares. Enjoy having a disposable income Unfortunately fall out with half said friends when they lose your money. Tax minimisation might be effective for you
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Post by Liz on Jun 13, 2016 22:42:06 GMT
Hahaha I know I couldn't agree more x3. However it is only because my current business is producing a very neat profit margin quarterly (5 figures) and requires no further investment. I originally put my profit into ISA's and savings solely but was honestly a laughable rate of return (especially regarding Business savings accounts; anything between 0.05 percent and 0.15 is the norm) So I decided to invest the figures like all of us here into other areas of investment. 18 or not, there's a good reward for saving early :3. But to keep on track with the thread, I was thinking of a dipping a toe or 2 into SS in a few weeks. Well done Harland, sounds like you're an astute young man. Investing early is the way to become a millionaire! If I were 18 (Im 43 now) and investing all over again with what's available now, here's how I'd invest: 60% into stock index tracker fund (US, not FTSE) 20% P2P 10% Global Bond Tracker fund 10% cash isa You can change these allocations depending on your risk appetite and also as you get older. I've been through some severe economic ups and downs so this allocation would make me sleep comfortable at night. PS. Forgot to add, buy and hold forever and keep buying through the lows and the highs. Only time you can lose money in the stock market is when you sell. Out of interst. Why US tracker over FTSE? I know the FTSE is overweight some sectors and has a lot of low growth(at least cyclical) sectors, that would put me off.
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Post by Financial Thing on Jun 14, 2016 18:14:40 GMT
Well done Harland, sounds like you're an astute young man. Investing early is the way to become a millionaire! If I were 18 (Im 43 now) and investing all over again with what's available now, here's how I'd invest: 60% into stock index tracker fund (US, not FTSE) 20% P2P 10% Global Bond Tracker fund 10% cash isa You can change these allocations depending on your risk appetite and also as you get older. I've been through some severe economic ups and downs so this allocation would make me sleep comfortable at night. PS. Forgot to add, buy and hold forever and keep buying through the lows and the highs. Only time you can lose money in the stock market is when you sell. Out of interst. Why US tracker over FTSE? I know the FTSE is overweight some sectors and has a lot of low growth(at least cyclical) sectors, that would put me off. FTSE is too small be effectively diverse. Before the oil drop, BT Shell & HSBC comprised 25% of the entire FTSE 100. I use the Vanguard S&P as it holds over 3000 stocks. IMO with trackers, the more stocks the better. Also the FSTE took almost 10 years to rebound from it's lows in the early 2,000's and hasn't had a history of performing well vs the S&P.
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Post by Liz on Jun 14, 2016 18:24:58 GMT
And a very small amount of companies, amounted to the majority of the FTSE100's dividends. And these dividends are far from guaranteed, and many of these companies may need to cut dividends. The FTSE is high on financials, oil and comodities, and low on tech and growth.
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Post by jonah on Jun 14, 2016 18:29:28 GMT
Why not do a world equity tracker then? Ok, so the US is 60%+ of it but it would add a few more stocks into the list?
(I do have some US exposure via a tracker though)
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Post by brettb on Jun 15, 2016 10:50:30 GMT
I've been investing in P2P since 2009 and now have about half my assets in 10 different platforms.
I have been winding down on some of the "loser" platforms and no longer lend to businesses.
I do see danger ahead - if asset prices crash then lending on places like FS becomes very risky. I've done OK so far, except for putting too many eggs in the carpets loan! Also some P2P companies are spending lavishly (I've visited some of their offices) and as someone who works in cyclical IT, that's always ominous.
Property is also risky. In my last job I worked for a city based property law firm and you can do all the due diligence in the world but property *is* inherently risky.
I did max out my ISA this year. I like the covered call funds (Schroeder Income Maximiser, Insight Equity Income Booster) as I just like collecting their chunky dividends. Also I do a bit of trading and have never lost money trading my favourites RDSB and GSK.
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Post by shimself on Jun 15, 2016 13:04:11 GMT
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