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Post by gaspilot on Jun 16, 2016 9:29:26 GMT
Wow. That show's quite a graphic illustration of the SM spike.
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Post by jackpease on Jun 16, 2016 9:47:09 GMT
yesterday was the happiest day of my SS life. Indeed, I've been with SS since near the start and yesterday was one of the best days ever. Problem? What problem! Jack P
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Post by chrisuk on Jun 16, 2016 10:05:16 GMT
yesterday was the happiest day of my SS life. Indeed, I've been with SS since near the start and yesterday was one of the best days ever. Problem? What problem! Jack P Well it is a problem for me. I am a small investor and I have set myself a total limit of £5000 to invest in SS. All of my loans are £100 or less. I tried to sell some of my older loans to fund the newer ones but gave up and cancelled the sales as I was losing too much interest. For me, the SM has gone from one extreme to the other. The liquidity has ground to a halt and has stopped me from buying the newer loans.
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Post by herrbert on Jun 16, 2016 11:43:52 GMT
SS SM shows the classical problem with price setting. Socialism and currently Venezuela have the same problem. If you don't let the market supply and demand set the price (the rates in this case), then there are inevitably gluts and shortages. They should think about that.
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Post by locutus on Jun 16, 2016 11:58:22 GMT
SS SM shows the classical problem with price setting. Socialism and currently Venezuela have the same problem. If you don't let the market supply and demand set the price (the rates in this case), then there are inevitably gluts and shortages. They should think about that. I'm a big fan of free markets but the problem is more nuanced than that. FS allow differential pricing and their market is clogged. My view is that people prefer the simplicity of selling at par and SS should keep things as they are.
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Post by chrisuk on Jun 16, 2016 11:59:13 GMT
I have to admit, the log jam on the SM has spooked me a little. The defaulted loan didn't worry me too much as it was bound to happen sooner or later, but it's probably spooked a lot of the investors into selling their older loans.
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Post by geraldine1210 on Jun 16, 2016 14:28:51 GMT
Releasing The Nine in one lump was folly. Following up with another one today was stupidity. I would like to have seen maybe three at a time, with s few days between each sale. We've all sat there, wanting to invest and seeing nothing but a couple of loans which are either negative or with only z fee days. We've all moaned when the loans are gone quicker than we can identify grass etc. However, thud huge pile, however gloomy it looks, will go down eventually.
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Post by SteveT on Jun 16, 2016 14:32:10 GMT
Releasing The Nine in one lump was folly. Following up with another one today was stupidity. I would like to have seen maybe three at a time, with s few days between each sale. Which rather misses the point that the borrower(s) want to draw down the funds tomorrow. Would you rather SS turn away the business?
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Post by geraldine1210 on Jun 16, 2016 14:33:26 GMT
Releasing The Nine in one lump was folly. Following up with another one today was stupidity. I would like to have seen maybe three at a time, with s few days between each sale. Which rather misses the point that the borrower(s) want to draw down the funds tomorrow. Oh, I accept that. However, I still think SS should have seen what would happen
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Post by adrianc on Jun 16, 2016 14:45:14 GMT
Which rather misses the point that the borrower(s) want to draw down the funds tomorrow. Oh, I accept that. However, I still think SS should have seen what would happen I'm sure they were well aware of what releasing £12m in loans would do, even though they haven't done it before. BTW, what has "happened"? Seems to me that £12m of money got lent out, and there's another £2.5m being lent out today, with at least two posters moaning they didn't get allocated more of yesterday's. Is that a bad thing...?
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Post by ncp1951 on Jun 16, 2016 16:54:03 GMT
I think there is one thing that people are ignoring. A couple of weeks ago SS changed its rule on loan funding, in that you could not sell a loan part for 7 days, unless it was fully funded. This was to stop the 'abuse' of people (freeloaders) buying loans, selling them 2 days later and pocketing the interest. This must have been a 'significant' issue for SS to introduce the rule. It is my belief that there were numerous people doing this, possibly in consortiums selling loans between them, which is why the SM was so liquid, and why everyone was complaining about the speed at which loans on the SM were selling. This could also account for the lower percentages allocated in pipeline loans. Think about it, a group of people not funding a million in loans would give them a nice little earner of around 120k. Beats working in McDonalds.
At around the same time one loan went into default, which started the sale of that loan, along with other short dated loans. At that point the SM started to build, particularly on short dated loans, and has continued to build, then really built once status 3 loans of around 15 million were placed on the SM. Once people were seeing loans were not selling that quickly increased the build up of loans. I also think that pipeline loans will be coming onto the SM as they cannot be funded due to older loan parts not being sold which add further to the total.
I am a new investor of 2 months and as it is my intention to invest heavily I have been trying to study what is going on so I can develop my own strategy for investing.
I think the SM will not return to the same liquidity as it was before for older loans, as the freeloaders have been removed, but more desirable loans will be sold quickly. Once this set of loans has been put back on the SM for default I think people may have re-evaluate their investing strategy.
I, for one, will still be investing in SS; and once they implement the IFISA considerably more will be winging it's way in.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 16, 2016 17:03:50 GMT
Think about it, a group of people not funding a million in loans would give them a nice little earner of around 120k. Over the course of a year, yes. If you run an overnight average of £1m -ve balance... If you do that, I think it's safe to say that SS would have been down on you like a ton of bricks in seconds flat.
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