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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 12:01:48 GMT
It's why we need more finn tech and hitech city centres like Bristol, Manchester and Leeds to develop to spread the London effect.
It is also why so many London lawyers "retire" at 30 to Leeds. Half the income but 1/4 the costs.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jul 30, 2016 12:35:22 GMT
Sorry @nancelot I'm not laughing at you but that price exemplifies what is wrong with the property market, why we have a housing shortage and why there needs to be a return to reality. But this is reality - last time I looked. It’s as close to the real world as reality television, yes, it might be reality to those who have never known anything different to today’s situation but I’m afraid that they are in for a rude awakening when the bubble bursts as it surely will, no way can the property market continue at present levels when prices are so out of line with earnings. Common sense says that the current level of household debt is unsustainable and that eventually there will be a day of reckoning. www.independent.co.uk/money/is-britain-facing-a-debt-disaster-a6808086.html
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Post by adrianc on Jul 30, 2016 12:56:42 GMT
But this is reality - last time I looked. It’s as close to the real world as reality television, yes, it might be reality to those who have never known anything different to today’s situation You seem to be assuming that "reality" is what you want it to be, rather than what it actually is. You may well be right. But that doesn't mean that it's not reality.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jul 30, 2016 12:59:35 GMT
It's why we need more finn tech and hitech city centres like Bristol, Manchester and Leeds to develop to spread the London effect. It is also why so many London lawyers "retire" at 30 to Leeds. Half the income but 1/4 the costs. Won’t “spreading the London effect” simply lead to London property prices without a corresponding increase in earnings as the jobs created will only be suitable for a relatively small number of people?
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Post by yorkshireman on Jul 30, 2016 13:15:07 GMT
It’s as close to the real world as reality television, yes, it might be reality to those who have never known anything different to today’s situation You seem to be assuming that "reality" is what you want it to be, rather than what it actually is. You may well be right. But that doesn't mean that it's not reality. I know it’s the reality for millions of people but an individual, a household or a country cannot remain highly indebted ad infinitum regardless of how deluded central banks and governments may be. I’ve no idea how you solve this without it all ending in tears but a start would be a drop in property prices which would hit those currently with mortgages but would at least mean that buyers do not have to take on as much debt in the form of a mortgage.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 15:42:11 GMT
It's why we need more finn tech and hitech city centres like Bristol, Manchester and Leeds to develop to spread the London effect. It is also why so many London lawyers "retire" at 30 to Leeds. Half the income but 1/4 the costs. Won’t “spreading the London effect” simply lead to London property prices without a corresponding increase in earnings as the jobs created will only be suitable for a relatively small number of people? I see two issues here, but basically there is a curve of wages, lots of people get a low wage and a few people get a high wage. Right now, with only London really offering great high wages the difference between the top and the bottom is getting wider and the size of the bottom is getting wider. Increasing the city opportunities means that the difference between the top and the bottom will reduce, the width at the top will get wider and the width at the bottom will get smaller. If you look at pricing of houses, by adding in Manchester/Leeds/Bristol to the London volumes you will increase the supply and not over extend the demand. This should also bring down the average cost of top end housing but increase the top end in Leeds/Bristol/Manchester. I suspect this has been seen in the Salford affect as produced by the BBC. All, in all, a good thing. That there people who are missing out on globalisation, are unable to compete or lack the education. I suspect that is outside the remit of a P2P discussion. What I would say is I've been trying to elevate the aspirations of schools for many years (with little success) and the resulting educational norm of the feckless British is amazing. The days of a job for life disappeared in 1980 and if people are still learning that today then it amazes me. I once ran a business (in Lancashire) where not only did my average age 55 year olds expect to keep doing what they had always done but what they did is actually what their grandfathers did. It took 3 months to disabuse them of this notion and, fair does, they all rose to the challenge and showed that you can teach old dogs new tricks. The business showed a major turnaround going from break even to making 25% ROS in the first 6 months all down to them changing what they did. So I don't believe that the jobs created will suit only a few people, but I do agree If they can't a&&&&d to change then only people from outside the area will get those jobs. People are amazing, while the British lack an acceptable education system, their inherent intelligence and pure grit have shown me that they can do fantastic things, but, they often suffer from "boiled frog syndrom", with a clear message and a clear path to success they will achieve. I see the northern powerhouse as a major opportunity for Northern people, I suspect the stupidity of the political classes in Sheffield and Leeds will ensure that only Manchester gets any real benefit. I am, of course, only an adopted Yorkshire man. Have a great weekend
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Post by yorkshireman on Jul 31, 2016 16:56:38 GMT
Won’t “spreading the London effect” simply lead to London property prices without a corresponding increase in earnings as the jobs created will only be suitable for a relatively small number of people? I see two issues here, but basically there is a curve of wages, lots of people get a low wage and a few people get a high wage. Right now, with only London really offering great high wages the difference between the top and the bottom is getting wider and the size of the bottom is getting wider. Increasing the city opportunities means that the difference between the top and the bottom will reduce, the width at the top will get wider and the width at the bottom will get smaller. If you look at pricing of houses, by adding in Manchester/Leeds/Bristol to the London volumes you will increase the supply and not over extend the demand. This should also bring down the average cost of top end housing but increase the top end in Leeds/Bristol/Manchester. I suspect this has been seen in the Salford affect as produced by the BBC. All, in all, a good thing. That there people who are missing out on globalisation, are unable to compete or lack the education. I suspect that is outside the remit of a P2P discussion. What I would say is I've been trying to elevate the aspirations of schools for many years (with little success) and the resulting educational norm of the feckless British is amazing. The days of a job for life disappeared in 1980 and if people are still learning that today then it amazes me. I once ran a business (in Lancashire) where not only did my average age 55 year olds expect to keep doing what they had always done but what they did is actually what their grandfathers did. It took 3 months to disabuse them of this notion and, fair does, they all rose to the challenge and showed that you can teach old dogs new tricks. The business showed a major turnaround going from break even to making 25% ROS in the first 6 months all down to them changing what they did. So I don't believe that the jobs created will suit only a few people, but I do agree If they can't a&&&&d to change then only people from outside the area will get those jobs. People are amazing, while the British lack an acceptable education system, their inherent intelligence and pure grit have shown me that they can do fantastic things, but, they often suffer from "boiled frog syndrom", with a clear message and a clear path to success they will achieve. I see the northern powerhouse as a major opportunity for Northern people, I suspect the stupidity of the political classes in Sheffield and Leeds will ensure that only Manchester gets any real benefit. I am, of course, only an adopted Yorkshire man. Have a great weekend Thanks for the detailed response, I have got to agree with all you say. I’ve also encountered the “jobs for life”, “we’ve always done it this way” and the “it’s not my job” mind-set, the most recent occasion being no more than 8 years ago but like you, I found that with leadership and clear direction, attitudes and working practices can be changed. However, citing the experience of a former teacher that I know, there appears to be plenty of “Luddites” in the pipeline who will miss out on any opportunity never mind those created by a northern powerhouse and your comment about the politics of Sheffield and Leeds, I am well acquainted with both cities, is sadly, spot on.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Jul 31, 2016 23:51:34 GMT
Just to close loop on this one : I decided not to go forward with this property. Thank you all for your inputs I don't know property prices very well in Liverpool Street, but the best flats in Islington, which is still walking distance from Liverpool street and probably more fun at the weekend are under £1000 per sq ft and have been drifting down for the past year. New builds still have very optimistic prices along the lines of those you mention. Having said that I have been to Liverpool Street at the weekend recently and it is very different than it used to be. I would happily live there. As a side note many of my former colleagues (and me) spent many hours looking at property prices outside London. Sell the 3 bed flat, pay off the mortgage and buy a mansion somewhere on the outskirts of Leeds. Only a handful actually did though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 9:21:16 GMT
/mod hat off I'm curious, why? You seemed reasonably set on it....... 1. No parking or chance of getting off street parking permit. So if I do continue staying there and eventually have family, will be good to have option to have a car. 2. The price increase I suspect will have an upper cap. Looking around the area plenty of properties with £1M price tag which are better and bigger than this one. I thought if I had power to buy a place worth £1M, why would I buy this? 3. Walked around few times near the area during weekend and didn't feel any life around it. 4. On the outskirts of London, prices are much lower and for better properties. 5. I might put the idea of buying property on hold for now and continue to rent, increasing deposit size and get a permanent residency in UK first. Currently limited with choice of banks I could go with for mortgage (Halifax gave a mortgage in principle but at 75% LTV I can find better rates if I didn't have visa issue) as I am on work permit. 6. Potential interest rate drop and property price drop means I could be better off to wait.
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Post by martin44 on Aug 3, 2016 22:56:12 GMT
Also, Maybe?, think about re-location, your skill set suggests that London is not the be all and end all, a far more salubrious life may exist away from the capital.
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