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Post by vmail on Apr 15, 2017 8:36:13 GMT
The double interest will be taken away without any trace in the transaction log.
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Post by jamesc on Apr 15, 2017 8:57:54 GMT
The double interest will be taken away without any trace in the transaction log. Its not the double interest I am worried its how I pay for 167 as I have more than enough to come back from 122. do I sell other loan parts ? What I should be doing is buying loan parts with my xs proceeds from 122. L/SS have really ***** me up this time !
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Post by treeman on Apr 15, 2017 9:12:38 GMT
(Thinking out loud here) Is there possibly a situation here where it can't be 'repaid' as technically it isn't being paid back by the borrower. What's really happening is that the borrower gets extra cash and updated terms. If 122 was repaid before Lendy have the extra cash on account from 167 would that put them in the technically 'holding the loan' situation ? and so frowned upon by the FCA? Are we expected to pay for 167 first, get 122 repaid then withdraw the proceeds? May not be until 167 draws down ? I have no intention of doing this as the situation was not made clear and as my balance will go to +£150 with 122 repaid. It would be good if savingstream / Paul64 could explain the timeline of events, as the go-live gave no clue, and lay out a clear process for any future non-rollover rollovers. Could end up being a(nother) bit of a muddle ..........
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Post by dermot on Apr 15, 2017 9:28:35 GMT
The double interest will be taken away without any trace in the transaction log. Its not the double interest I am worried its how I pay for 167 as I have more than enough to come back from 122. do I sell other loan parts ? What I should be doing is buying loan parts with my xs proceeds from 122. L/SS have really ***** me up this time ! Yes, I have put in sufficient to make up the difference between the new tranche and my existing holding, leaving me with a negative balance equal to that existing holding. Are Lendy going to consider that I have not fully funded the new tranche within the target time and take it away - or what?
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Post by dzo on Apr 15, 2017 10:23:01 GMT
I am in the same situation dermot . Given that they have also said that deposit processing is Mon-Fri only (although we know some deposits get through at weekends) then they should not complain if the negative balance lasts a few days. If they repay 122 my balance will be (just) positive. It went live on a bank holiday so given the usual two working day rule, we have until Thursday to resolve the negative balance. I'm just going to collect the extra interest until then.
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Post by Liz on Apr 15, 2017 12:40:55 GMT
The double interest will be taken away without any trace in the transaction log. Its not the double interest I am worried its how I pay for 167 as I have more than enough to come back from 122. do I sell other loan parts ? What I should be doing is buying loan parts with my xs proceeds from 122. L/SS have really ***** me up this time ! Don't pay for PBL167, wait for PBL122 to repay. I don't know why they haven't repaid PBL122, a cock-up it seems that will cost LLfS as members will kick up a stink if they don't cough up. Don't worry it will be sorted today tomorrow Monday Tuesday
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Apr 15, 2017 13:51:17 GMT
I am in the same situation dermot . Given that they have also said that deposit processing is Mon-Fri only (although we know some deposits get through at weekends) then they should not complain if the negative balance lasts a few days. If they repay 122 my balance will be (just) positive. Deposits got through today, just fine .. only took an hour or so (MT, of course, did even better, but then they get notified by me, rather than just having to hang on the bank's transaction file).
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Post by elliotn on Apr 15, 2017 13:57:49 GMT
I am in the same situation dermot . Given that they have also said that deposit processing is Mon-Fri only (although we know some deposits get through at weekends) then they should not complain if the negative balance lasts a few days. If they repay 122 my balance will be (just) positive. It went live on a bank holiday so given the usual two working day rule, we have until Thursday to resolve the negative balance. I'm just going to collect the extra interest until then. My email said 24 hours (with no mention of when people were working or not) although people have confirmed their deposits have been processed (mine was by sales).
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Post by mikes1531 on Apr 15, 2017 14:04:34 GMT
If 122 was repaid before Lendy have the extra cash on account from 167 would that put them in the technically 'holding the loan' situation ? and so frowned upon by the FCA? I'm with treeman on this one. I expect that the new input from the FCA means LfSS can't draw down the new loan until all the cash due from the non-renewing investors has been received. So it could be the end of the week before that happens. They also can't repay the renewing investors before the new loan draws down because if they did that they'd be holding the old loan. I think LfSS are stuck with paying interest on both PBL122 and PBL167 until everything is sorted when PBL167 draws down. If they don't, a large number of investors will be unhappy. But I don't think LfSS are any worse off than they are on all new loans, where they pay interest on parts from the day the allocations are made., even if the borrowers don't start paying interest until drawdown. In this case, the borrower is obligated to pay the PBL122 interest until PBL167 replaces it.
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Post by mikes1531 on Apr 15, 2017 14:26:08 GMT
I hope it draws down before allocations are cancelled for failure to resolve any negative balance. There'll be hell to pay from the haters on these boards if it doesn't! I don't think the complaints would be limited to the 'haters' -- everyone who had an allocation cancelled while awaiting a PBL122 repayment sufficient to cover their negative balance would have a grievance. ISTM that LfSS have caused this problem themselves when they decided not to allow investments in PBL122 to be rolled forward into PBL167. And I really can't understand why they decided to do that. PBL167 is three times the size of PBL122, so even if every PBL122 investor wanted to roll their investment forward -- and we can guess that many would not have wanted to do that -- there still would have been about £1.7M of PBL167 to fund, which suggests that the only investors who would have noticed any difference in their allocations would be those who wanted more than, say, £2k of PBL167. (And some of those wouldn't have been disadvantaged because they had more than £2k in PBL122 that they would have rolled forward.) No doubt LfSS had reasons for handling this they way they did, but if they don't give us any clues to those reasons then all we can do is remain in the dark and speculate.
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Post by lendinglawyer on Apr 15, 2017 15:39:49 GMT
mikes1531 thing is I don't think that's gonna happen. If drawdown and repayment don't happen before negative balances need to be resolved I'll fall off my proverbial chair. Agree it should have been done on a simultaneous basis however.
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Post by twoheads on Apr 15, 2017 15:46:17 GMT
Not paying off PBL122 is costing them only £468.49 per day so it's not a significant sum in the grand scheme of things.
I am surprised that LfSS didn't have everything in place to send PBL167 live, drawn down and PBL122 paid off all in a nice little row. Maybe the Easter break got in the way and they were unable to do what they'd hoped.
I would be amazed if PBL122 isn't repaid well before LfSS start thinking about cancelling the PM purchases of PBL167 made on INPL.
If LfSS start cancelling PBL167 investments (for people with enough PBL122 to cover their negative balance) then amazement will be insufficient and I shall be forced to resort to astonishment. *
I suggest that anyone waiting for PBL122 repayments to fund their PBL167 should simply drop LfSS an e-mail stating that their negative balance will be resolved by the PBL122 repayment.
* Paraphrasing Douglas Adams
EDIT - Crossed with lendinglawyer who goes one better than astonishment by falling off his chair!
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Post by treeman on Apr 15, 2017 15:52:27 GMT
I hope it draws down before allocations are cancelled for failure to resolve any negative balance. There'll be hell to pay from the haters on these boards if it doesn't! I don't think the complaints would be limited to the 'haters' -- everyone who had an allocation cancelled while awaiting a PBL122 repayment sufficient to cover their negative balance would have a grievance. ISTM that LfSS have caused this problem themselves when they decided not to allow investments in PBL122 to be rolled forward into PBL167. And I really can't understand why they decided to do that. PBL167 is three times the size of PBL122, so even if every PBL122 investor wanted to roll their investment forward -- and we can guess that many would not have wanted to do that -- there still would have been about £1.7M of PBL167 to fund, which suggests that the only investors who would have noticed any difference in their allocations would be those who wanted more than, say, £2k of PBL167. (And some of those wouldn't have been disadvantaged because they had more than £2k in PBL122 that they would have rolled forward.) No doubt LfSS had reasons for handling this they way they did, but if they don't give us any clues to those reasons then all we can do is remain in the dark and speculate. IF all this had been explained and a timeline/sequence of events laid out in the go-live emails then we'd all know the plan ................ All we can hope for is some light to be shed on this from Brankesmere House early on Tuesday.
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Post by mikes1531 on Apr 15, 2017 23:24:47 GMT
I am surprised that LfSS didn't have everything in place to send PBL167 live, drawn down and PBL122 paid off all in a nice little row. Maybe the Easter break got in the way and they were unable to do what they'd hoped. If I understand correctly the issue that caused the death of INPL for SM purchases, the FCA have told LfSS that they have to act as agent/broker and not as principal. I believe the reason for the FCA position is to reduce platform risk. This means LfSS can't hold parts waiting for investors to pay up or, put another way, that only client funds can be used for lending. The implication of that for new loans is that they can't draw down until negative balances are cleared. I expect an exception can be made where investments are being rolled forward, such as in this case, because those client funds already are with the borrower. The upshot, however, is that PBL167 can't draw down until new investors have cleared their negative balances. And PBL122 can't be repaid until PBL167 draws down because that would mean LfSS would have to use their own funds to allow non-renewing PBL122 investors to be repaid. All we can hope for is some light to be shed on this from Brankesmere House early on Tuesday. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen!
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Post by mary on Apr 16, 2017 7:55:38 GMT
Seems a very reasonable explanation. If only Lendy would document their process then there would be no issue.
As previously mentioned we should probably all pre-emptively email support before we get auto emailed to "Please resolve negative balance" on Tuesday.
Also, if this theory is correct, then Lendy need to add an option to the Pre-funding page to allow for funding to be deducted from the connected loan that is being re-paid, surely not too difficult?
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