Liz
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Post by Liz on Oct 11, 2017 17:54:22 GMT
PF dipped into by c. £200k. Security sold at auction for £1M, so immediate shortfall plus fees, etc What about interest / Is the PF coughing up for that too? Or will the xmas party have to be at Weatherspoons!
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Post by IFISAcava on Oct 11, 2017 18:14:23 GMT
What about interest / Is the PF coughing up for that too? Or will the xmas party have to be at Weatherspoons! PF only covers the Capital, not the interest It would be nice to know what is left in the PF - it's getting quite the hammering it's almost at the stage where you want your loan to default sooner rather than later so there is something left in the PF to cover it...
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Liz
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Post by Liz on Oct 11, 2017 18:16:52 GMT
What about interest / Is the PF coughing up for that too? Or will the xmas party have to be at Weatherspoons! PF only covers the Capital, not the interest It would be nice to know what is left in the PF - it's getting quite the hammering I'm waiting for the audited accounts, just to make sure Did they say if they were paying the interest at month end?
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Liz
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Post by Liz on Oct 11, 2017 18:18:51 GMT
PF only covers the Capital, not the interest It would be nice to know what is left in the PF - it's getting quite the hammering it's almost at the stage where you want your loan to default sooner rather than later so there is something left in the PF to cover it... I hear you. I can just hear people saying "firesale the asset quick" so the PF bails them out whilst the PF still has funds. We are really lucky the PF ever existed. i have plenty of losses elsewhere.
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Post by munchydave on Oct 11, 2017 19:44:04 GMT
I am getting out of Lendy. I have zero confidence in their valuations. Defaults are not the problem if the defaulted property covers the losses but at the moment it dosn't
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Post by hazellend on Oct 11, 2017 19:49:32 GMT
I am getting out of Lendy. I have zero confidence in their valuations. Defaults are not the problem if the defaulted property covers the losses but at the moment it dosn't okay random first time poster, nice meeting you, sorry it was so brief lol.
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Post by poppyland on Oct 11, 2017 20:00:38 GMT
For what it's worth, getting your capital back and receiving many months of interest before it went into default isn't too bad an outcome. We stupidly put a rather large sum with House Crowd 2 years ago, into what was advertised as a 10 month 10% fixed return. Now, two years on, we hear today that they screwed up badly with the projected refurbishment costs and the anticipated sales price, and now propose to market the house for a low price to get a quick sale. We will almost certainly get back nothing more than our original sum invested. So lots of money tied up for two years, with ZERO return. Lendy's repayment today of PBL123 seems positively generous compared to that.
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Post by munchydave on Oct 11, 2017 20:19:38 GMT
Good point, and I agree that investors with Lendy have suffered no losses to date. My concern is that the fund that is used to cover losses is not infinite and I note that about 50% of my investments are in default or suspended. I have never looked too close at the valuations given by Lendy but since reading many comments on this site I have checked a few valuations out, and at the best they seem optimistic. Lendy is not the only one with this issue. It looks to me that in the rush to get business many P2P sites do the same. It will take some time for me to reduce my exposure to Lendy as I intend to let all loans run there term. If I get some confidence back I may return.
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Post by bugs4me on Oct 11, 2017 21:53:32 GMT
Good point, and I agree that investors with Lendy have suffered no losses to date. My concern is that the fund that is used to cover losses is not infinite and I note that about 50% of my investments are in default or suspended. I have never looked too close at the valuations given by Lendy but since reading many comments on this site I have checked a few valuations out, and at the best they seem optimistic. Lendy is not the only one with this issue. It looks to me that in the rush to get business many P2P sites do the same. It will take some time for me to reduce my exposure to Lendy as I intend to let all loans run there term. If I get some confidence back I may return. It's not just LY that manage to claim that no losses have been incurred although if you factor in the lost interest which by some magic may or probably not materialise, then with LY (and others) you're effectively at the mercy of the discretionary PF. Another platform simply kicks the can down the road rather than default so they can claim no losses. Good marketing tool though regarding 'never suffered any losses' even though IMO it is a false claim. What is coming home to roost are those initial valuations and the ongoing monitoring by the platform(s). There are a couple of platforms that I'm withdrawing from as once the trust issue comes into my thinking then it's better to leave and invest elsewhere. I'd prefer a lower headline rate, backed by a more realistic valuation, background checks on the borrowers and on-going monitoring where applicable. When I carry out DD on some of the borrowers then I wouldn't lend them 50p for parking let alone 'invest' in their proposed projects. This information is known to the platform but hey ho - it's not relevant in their opinion. This loan has proven (along with others) that it is! In P2P I fully expect losses and never expect my XIRR to always display the headline 12-13% over time. My expectations are in the region of 8%. So with defaults I prefer simply to take them as they crop up and move on rather than live in fools paradise. That's just me of course.
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Post by mikes1531 on Oct 12, 2017 3:23:53 GMT
PF only covers the Capital, not the interest Did they say if they were paying the interest at month end? They will not. The property was sold for less than the amount of capital outstanding on the loan. Interest will be payable only if they can recover further funds. If they decide that is worth pursuing, I'd expect it to take quite a long time to resolve.
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Post by seeingred on Oct 12, 2017 8:47:17 GMT
If capital losses are slight (less than £100,000?) it is unlikely to be worth even a small court case.
If they are large (as I*** of W***** promises to be) , in the multimillion pound loss of value, then a court case would make more sense.
But if it was Lendy asleep at the wheel and not asking the right questions when they received the valuation, there is nothing they can do except tell investors (and the world) that there has been a multimillion loss on one project.
No one will be interested in doing a documentary on it, I doubt it will even feature in the local press.
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Post by garfield on Oct 12, 2017 9:04:41 GMT
The property sold for £1m, therefore the shortfall was £160,250.
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Liz
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Post by Liz on Oct 12, 2017 9:25:41 GMT
Did they say if they were paying the interest at month end? They will not. The property was sold for less than the amount of capital outstanding on the loan. Interest will be payable only if they can recover further funds. If they decide that is worth pursuing, I'd expect it to take quite a long time to resolve. Thx, found the e-mail in my junk folder. Microsoft knows best
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Post by garfield on Oct 12, 2017 9:45:23 GMT
The property sold for £1m, therefore the shortfall was £160,250. Need to deduct Auction house fees and legal costs. x2 as there were two auctions. Not expecting to see any further interest back on this one somehow.
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Post by r1200gs on Oct 12, 2017 10:36:42 GMT
A relatively painless default out of the way with minimal losses. Pretty good I reckon, certainly compared to what's coming.
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