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Post by barberbookie on Jul 26, 2016 15:05:40 GMT
Hello
I am just after some advice to what people thing of my current P2P investments compared to money in my current accounts. Does it look too much or too little or have i overinvested in a particular P2P company , or indeed not enough I feels about right to me but maybe someone can guide me in a better direction to maximise profits and safeguard my investments
Current Account at 3% ( over 4 accs ) 45% of total monies invested Current Account at 4% ( over 2 accs ) 14% total
Current Account at 5% ( over 4 accs ) 10% total
Saving Stream at 12% 10% total
Azzetz Capital at 4.5% 7% total
Moneything at 10% 2% total
Ratesetter at 4% av 7% total
Zopa at 4% av 2% total
Wellesley at 4.5% 1% total
Funding Circle at 7% 2% total
Therefore 69% of my monies in current accounts are covered by the 75K so this is risk free
31% is invested in 7 P2P platforms at different risk bands.
How does this all look.
Any advice would be welcome
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Post by adrianc on Jul 26, 2016 15:22:26 GMT
Therefore 69% of my monies in current accounts are covered by the 75K so this is risk free
"Risk free" is stretching it. Very low risk, sure. But risk free? No. I know I can't be bothered with the hassle of running ten current accounts, for the sake of a weighted 3.5%. Are the returns you're getting from the different platforms actual XIRR, or are they wet-finger? You can do a lot better for some, while one or two feel high to me.
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Post by barberbookie on Jul 26, 2016 15:45:44 GMT
Thanks for advice.
Current account situation is a pain but with standing orders it takes care of itself
Currently no defaults so the figures quoted is what i am getting.
Running at just short of 5% overall but feel i can do better. Just means adding in more risk which is something i am not sure of doing at this current time.
Reading a few threads seems a lot of people are pulling there money out of P2P , not adding to it.
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Post by ben on Jul 26, 2016 17:14:58 GMT
What other kind of investments do you have?
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Post by Liz on Jul 26, 2016 17:34:04 GMT
You are a bit light on info.
What are you saving for? House deposit, retirement, general savings etc Hold old are you? When do you need to access these funds, if at all. How much time can you spare running investments? etc etc
Running 10 current accounts and keeping track of 7 p2p platforms, seems like hard work to me.
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Post by pom on Jul 26, 2016 17:39:56 GMT
Just means adding in more risk which is something i am not sure of doing at this current time. Personally I'd say this is the key piece of info - if you're not comfortable about increasing your risk don't do it. As for the p2p spread, personally I try and keep my amounts invested a bit closer together - of my core platforms (ie ignoring new ones I'm not fully invested in, or those I'm trying to exit) my largest holding is only ~3x the smallest. To me having a 10x difference suggests the smallest one may not be worth the effort, and the largest is perhaps risking more than you might really be happy with.
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Post by aju on Aug 3, 2016 0:09:41 GMT
Am I being soft here but based on the information provided and knowing that there are precious few of the bank accounts and the restriction on numbers you are allowed to have and how much invested isn't it possible to work out your investment total. Based on the 5% accounts and the limited bank/s that have them and their limits.
If it is I would consider just grouping all the bank accounts together as one element, and percentage 69%
For me I have
Instant Access Top Rate Current accounts ( 46%) Best possible ISA ( 13%) (Waiting for right P2P ISA) Delayed Access Zopa (11%) Shares ( 30%)
We are using the Top rate CA's to top up pensions the ISA are re-invested when rates change.
The shares pie may seem a bit high but the Divi's are what's the important thing there. They are just too good not to hang onto. We took a bit of a capital hit when brexit vote result came in but they would never be the first sale item in the portfolio unless their return levels became untenable.
Running 10 accounts is small fry, once you get the hang of it you can automate most of them especially if you keep money in the accounts as well. We have 6 Hfx that have nothing in them except for the round robin day.
Because I get better than most bank current accounts I am still in Zopa P2P only but we have 2 accounts with similar spreads across Classic (85%), Plus(10%) and PreSafeguard (5%).
I am happy with the returns I get in the current setup I am in and its been that way since I early retired a few years ago now. I started in P2P nearly 10 years ago and have not lost a penny yet - time can still tell though. One of the reasons I punted out into Z+ was that earlier experience showed that it might be ok!.
Hope this helps but don't forget that the new landscape may not be as kind as the old one so all bets are off if it goes bad.
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Post by jackpease on Aug 3, 2016 5:56:43 GMT
Reading a few threads seems a lot of people are pulling there money out of P2P , not adding to it. Ahh yes the 'i'm out' trounce! If i was sad i would do a 'current trounce tracker' to catch out people who have multipully trounced and pulled out of a platform/p2p altogether more than once after some supposed sleight/loss/rate reduction. Remember this forum consists of a small vocal fraction of lenders and that given that platforms are expanding and returns reducing, and bank accounts paying negative interest rates, i think you'll find more are jumping in than jumping out. Where people claim they jump to in this era of falling rates i believe is covered on other threads! Jack P
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Post by aju on Aug 3, 2016 7:46:26 GMT
Pulling out - bar humbug.
The only reason I can see for moving from one place to another or pulling out is because there is a better rate at similar risk level. The risk level is key for me as I am working with money I mostly cannot afford to lose - I need to spend it elsewhere on the rest of my life. Having worked hard for the money - well most of it - I want to both savour it for as long as possible.
I can't understand keeping money in the banks at 0.01% when you can get 5% AER at some banks - of course not all people can get those accounts and it can't be long before they are pulled I guess.
One thing most people on P2P don't pick up on is that 5% on them is really only slightly more than 2.5% if you don't have the re-invest option on. The compounding is more crucial in P2P. Its more similar to regular saver than lump sum savings. Overall though for Me Zopa has been a big vehicle and a lucrative one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 8:15:06 GMT
Your current accounts..
you give no values, is the total less than £75k and if not are you sure your banks are different banks to keep you in the £75k threshold?
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Post by aju on Aug 3, 2016 8:56:42 GMT
My bank accounts are definitely not breaking the £75k barriers, although with us still in the eu and the pound/euro rate a tad lower than when they were set that may change. The worst case scenario would be the Santander ones as they are the only bank that allows up to 20k at 3% however since the rules only allow at best 2 accounts and we only have 3 ( We have a joint one) the max we could put in is 20k per account (60k total) well below the 75k and even then its actually only 30k each. There are other issues of consolidated banks eg lloyds/hfx/bos etc so I keep an eye on mergers etc. Some have seperate connections so i use www.moneysavingexpert.com/savings/safe-savings#toolto give me complete comfort. I also keep track of the interest rates and for the Santander and their recent change of fee I monitor the rates closer as I only get enough cashback on one. to cover the fee As I spend money (well the wife spends it ;-)) I make sure we are dripping it out of the account that reduces the interest rate the least. Its work I know but to me its giving us just shy of £300 a month before tax so its not to be sniffed at. Someone said its not truly safe - I guess thats sort of true but c'mon if they let the banks got belly up we have more serious problems. The other issue is that the banks are gonna notice soon and then i'll have to find another approach.
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Post by shadoh on Aug 3, 2016 9:45:49 GMT
I wouldn't really settle for anything less than 9-10% minimum return. And I tend to mainly invest in secured loans which reduces the risk. The current account returns are pointless imo. especially after tax. I agree with others to focus on a few platforms at a time.
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Post by aju on Aug 3, 2016 10:19:03 GMT
Are they true rates though, or are they only achievable whilst recycling.
whats your attitude to risk though - where can I go to check these types out - sorry i'm only clued up on much lower rate platforms like zopa - even on plus there I am lending out to people at average of 10-11% but I can't really see that it will be much better than projected 6-7% values after defaults etc. Having said that in the past the defaults have been far outweighed by the returns.
The due diligence on the secured types of loans surely has to be spotless to reduce the risk levels to that you are suggesting.
Your point about the bank returns being so low is surely not relevant unless you take risk levels into account. My risk acceptance level is clearly just much lower than yours or I've got less money I am prepared to punt out on.
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Post by littleoldlady on Aug 3, 2016 11:02:29 GMT
I suspect life is about to get much harder for rate tarts like you and I. Possibly/probably the Base Rate will be cut in half tomorrow quickly followed by Santander using it as an excuse to reduce the rate on its 123 account to 2%.
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Post by aju on Aug 3, 2016 11:18:18 GMT
ssssh, don't encourage them ;-)
Whilst they coaxed a lot of flow into them over the last couple of years dropping to 2%(1.98% AER) would make them a lot less viable for people not using the max in fact without the cashback to mitigate the fee more than 4000 would be needed for 20% tax payer to make even a very miniscule profit.
I'm holding out hope but there are a lot of others that may be less favourable too. I'll cope either way by readjusting but many won't be happy i'm sure.On the other hand many of the people who voted for brexit are less fortunate than me and sadly with the current government have been paying for a lot of it all too. (Ooops bit of politics there!)
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