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Post by elsee on Apr 18, 2018 12:52:23 GMT
This now says "claims underway" anyone any idea what this means? There's no new update (last 13/4)
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Post by elsee on Apr 18, 2018 12:53:55 GMT
This now says "claims underway" anyone any idea what this means? There's no new update (last 13/4) See this has crossed with a thread just posted called "no more defaults at Lendy"
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 19, 2018 12:50:05 GMT
Lendy stated in their 29/03 update that "Approximately £400,000 of the sale proceeds of the freehold was released to the borrower to settle outstanding creditors of the scheme." Has it been proven that isn't the case? In no circumstance Lendy could legally release OUR MONEY (money from our security) to the borrower. The loan was late and already rollever over multiple times (call it an effective default). If this was in a formal default procedure and a receiver would take over the security, he would sell and 100% of the incoming sum would go to the lenders first (which have priority in the order of repayments with respect to service suppliers). Creditors (suppliers, etc) are definitely UNSECURED and should NOT BE given priority with respect to the secured people. This is a basic principle that Lendy has put aside to make sure the borrower was happy (and to the detriment of the lenders). If this was 400k o 1 GBP, it is the principle that is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE, and if this loan goes in default and does not repay to the last penny and interest, be sure I will be suing Lendy. Have you taken legal advice then? It is quite clear in the T&Cs (previous version) that we have given Lendy the authority to restructure loans if they deem that to be necessary (I presume you regard this a legally suspect even though it is similar in most platforms). This is exactly what they have done here. The loan had been extended by agreement & interest paid so was not in default. A receiver had not been appointed so that is an irrelevant comparison. All of our money has been used to pay suppliers, contractors etc given we were paying for the building to be built. In this case, there appears to be an overspend and Lendy have agreed that part of the realisations could be used to settle the debts. The quid pro quo was a strengthened security package. The potential alternative was that the suppliers demanded their money and the borrower was tipped into administration to protect it from creditors which ISTM would be less desirable than the current situation. I suspect that would be to the detriment of lenders. Yes, its not ideal, I would have preferred to have a larger repayment or even full repayment but as Ive said above Im not convinced that the alternatives were better.
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Post by Jeepers on Apr 19, 2018 12:58:00 GMT
What's the point of doing any DD on the security if they have the ability to just sell it off ?
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Post by SteveT on Apr 19, 2018 12:59:30 GMT
In no circumstance Lendy could legally release OUR MONEY (money from our security) to the borrower. The loan was late and already rollever over multiple times (call it an effective default). If this was in a formal default procedure and a receiver would take over the security, he would sell and 100% of the incoming sum would go to the lenders first (which have priority in the order of repayments with respect to service suppliers). Creditors (suppliers, etc) are definitely UNSECURED and should NOT BE given priority with respect to the secured people. This is a basic principle that Lendy has put aside to make sure the borrower was happy (and to the detriment of the lenders). If this was 400k o 1 GBP, it is the principle that is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE, and if this loan goes in default and does not repay to the last penny and interest, be sure I will be suing Lendy. Are you, perhaps, a friend of @hor1997?
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Post by r00lish67 on Apr 19, 2018 13:19:42 GMT
In no circumstance Lendy could legally release OUR MONEY (money from our security) to the borrower. The loan was late and already rollever over multiple times (call it an effective default). If this was in a formal default procedure and a receiver would take over the security, he would sell and 100% of the incoming sum would go to the lenders first (which have priority in the order of repayments with respect to service suppliers). Creditors (suppliers, etc) are definitely UNSECURED and should NOT BE given priority with respect to the secured people. This is a basic principle that Lendy has put aside to make sure the borrower was happy (and to the detriment of the lenders). If this was 400k o 1 GBP, it is the principle that is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE, and if this loan goes in default and does not repay to the last penny and interest, be sure I will be suing Lendy. Are you, perhaps, a friend of @hor1997? Given Mr. Grumbler's general tone, and that last post in particular, I think he may know hor VERY WELL INDEED.
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Post by empirica on Apr 19, 2018 19:13:47 GMT
Lendy stated in their 29/03 update that "Approximately £400,000 of the sale proceeds of the freehold was released to the borrower to settle outstanding creditors of the scheme." Has it been proven that isn't the case? In no circumstance Lendy could legally release OUR MONEY (money from our security) to the borrower. The loan was late and already rollever over multiple times (call it an effective default). If this was in a formal default procedure and a receiver would take over the security, he would sell and 100% of the incoming sum would go to the lenders first (which have priority in the order of repayments with respect to service suppliers). Creditors (suppliers, etc) are definitely UNSECURED and should NOT BE given priority with respect to the secured people. This is a basic principle that Lendy has put aside to make sure the borrower was happy (and to the detriment of the lenders). If this was 400k o 1 GBP, it is the principle that is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE, and if this loan goes in default and does not repay to the last penny and interest, be sure I will be suing Lendy. Personally, I would find it acceptable that funds from the sale of the Leasehold were used to pay overdue development creditors and protect the borrower company from any potential enforcement action, which would have jeopardised the whole scheme, and put investor funds at increased risk. (Plus any knock on impact to investors in the other DFL) Would have been interesting to see the results of a vote on that, but given the latitude Lendy has (as with most (if not all?) platforms) to structure loans as it sees fit, a vote wasn't necessary.
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Post by empirica on Apr 19, 2018 19:17:22 GMT
What's the point of doing any DD on the security if they have the ability to just sell it off ? Well, Lendy has by contract the ability to sell a security and that is useful to lenders in case the loan is not paid back. The problem, in this particular case, is that, instead of passing back 100% of the outcome of the sale to the lenders (final owners of the security), arbitrarilly decided to give priority to unsecured creditors of the borrower, who would normally have no contract or recourse to potential claims with the lenders' estate. So it gave the borrower a slice (400.000 £ according to Lendy reports) of lenders' money for no good reason. Decide yourself if you feel this is a company worth investing on for the future. I'd disagree that it was 'for no good reason'. Lenders now had the added security of the mansion house which even you would have to agree is worth more than £400,000.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 19, 2018 19:25:09 GMT
What's the point of doing any DD on the security if they have the ability to just sell it off ? Well, Lendy has by contract the ability to sell a security and that is useful to lenders in case the loan is not paid back. The problem, in this particular case, is that, instead of passing back 100% of the outcome of the sale to the lenders (final owners of the security), arbitrarilly decided to give priority to unsecured creditors of the borrower, who would normally have no contract or recourse to potential claims with the lenders' estate. So it gave the borrower a slice (400.000 £ according to Lendy reports) of lenders' money for no good reason. Decide yourself if you feel this is a company worth investing on for the future. Lendy dont have the ability to sell the security. The security can be a) sold by the borrower providing Lendy agree on lenders behalf to release the security b) by a fixed charge receiver/administrator appointed by Lendy under the security should they decide to seek legal recovery of the loan. Yes, creditors are unlikely to have recourse to lenders estate but they do have recourse to the borrowers estate (even if they are unlikely to get it) which would potentially mean forcing the borrower into administration which doesnt seem like the best outcome for lenders. Personally Id rather have a loan that is paying a return and with the opportunity to be redeemed normally (and to sell out, albeit unlikely) without all the potential pitfalls of a recovery situation, especially with a potentially enhanced security package. I would suggest that potentially is a good reason for Lendy to agree to allow the borrower to retain some of the proceeds. Lendy arent the only platform that have agreed to borrowers retaining funds from the realisation of security ... AC do it (though under their terms they either hold a vote or request objections - lenders general agree as the business case makes sense) edit seem to be crossing with empirica
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Post by Liz on Apr 19, 2018 19:37:17 GMT
Lendy stated in their 29/03 update that "Approximately £400,000 of the sale proceeds of the freehold was released to the borrower to settle outstanding creditors of the scheme." Has it been proven that isn't the case? In no circumstance Lendy could legally release OUR MONEY (money from our security) to the borrower. The loan was late and already rollever over multiple times (call it an effective default). If this was in a formal default procedure and a receiver would take over the security, he would sell and 100% of the incoming sum would go to the lenders first (which have priority in the order of repayments with respect to service suppliers). Creditors (suppliers, etc) are definitely UNSECURED and should NOT BE given priority with respect to the secured people. This is a basic principle that Lendy has put aside to make sure the borrower was happy (and to the detriment of the lenders). If this was 400k o 1 GBP, it is the principle that is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE, and if this loan goes in default and does not repay to the last penny and interest, be sure I will be suing Lendy. Chill Grumbles 😁 Love the new Listening, caring Lendy. Remember no one has lost a penny in Lendy and defaults are not defaults. Happy dayz 👍
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Post by skint4achange on Apr 19, 2018 19:52:15 GMT
Love the new name ILL!
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Post by hazellend on Apr 19, 2018 21:57:21 GMT
Lendy dont have the ability to sell the security. The security can be a) sold by the borrower providing Lendy agree on lenders behalf to release the security b) by a fixed charge receiver/administrator appointed by Lendy under the security should they decide to seek legal recovery of the loan. Yes, creditors are unlikely to have recourse to lenders estate but they do have recourse to the borrowers estate (even if they are unlikely to get it) which would potentially mean forcing the borrower into administration which doesnt seem like the best outcome for lenders. Personally Id rather have a loan that is paying a return and with the opportunity to be redeemed normally (and to sell out, albeit unlikely) without all the potential pitfalls of a recovery situation, especially with a potentially enhanced security package. I would suggest that potentially is a good reason for Lendy to agree to allow the borrower to retain some of the proceeds. Lendy arent the only platform that have agreed to borrowers retaining funds from the realisation of security ... AC do it (though under their terms they either hold a vote or request objections - lenders general agree as the business case makes sense) edit seem to be crossing with empirica Of course Lendy does not directly sell the property, but they can select an administrator for that precise reason (as done in other cases). And be sure that an administrator looking after a security would not even think selling a security and distributing its value to unsecured creditors before having satisfied in full the secured creditors , otherwise he would be disqualified from profession! Once again you all seem to forget that IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE (DFL005), the development was 100% complete (and was close to be sold...). So enforcing the administrationfor a full sale, in my view, would have been the best thing to do in case the borrower was not able to repay the debt in full. I don't invest in AC and have explicitly refused the new Lendy T&C, so I can't vote on anything (but I believe that in this case there was not even a discussion on what happened... we were told to expect imminent full repayment and the next update we had <potentially libelous comment removed>!!!!!). I would not want this development to be sold. Happy taking my 12% on a low risk asset. Nobody has stolen our money. Do you always get this angry about stuff? If you can find a better investment paying 1%/month please let me know
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Post by dandy on Apr 20, 2018 6:47:24 GMT
Lendy dont have the ability to sell the security. The security can be a) sold by the borrower providing Lendy agree on lenders behalf to release the security b) by a fixed charge receiver/administrator appointed by Lendy under the security should they decide to seek legal recovery of the loan. I don't think that is correct. Happy to be corrected though. AFAIK Ly can be mortgagee in possession (as opposed to appointing LPA receiver) and handle any sale themselves. I think the reason many lenders opt to appoint LPA instead is a) because recovery is time consuming and needs some selling expertise in that market b) more chance of borrower claiming unreasonable sale value and then trying to sue the mortgagee for undervalue sale - whereas using LPA avoids that issue.
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Post by skint4achange on Apr 20, 2018 7:53:53 GMT
thegrumbler I understand why you are angry (And even agree with some of what you are saying) but I really do feel that you need to watch what you say on here. Although you have to be registered to post, this forum is in the public domain and is freely available to all. The definition of defamatory is very close to some of the comments you are putting on here.
I am no lover of the way Lendy have acted lately (For proof see some of my previous posts) but I try not to let emotion take over and put me on the wrong side of the legal system.
Lendy have not acted outside of their T&C's in this case, albeit in a very underhanded way (As I see it). No amount of ranting and arguing on here is going to change what has happened.
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Post by skint4achange on Apr 20, 2018 10:40:41 GMT
The logic to apply was to default a loan and nominate an administrator, as the borrower clearly did not want/have the means to repay the loan. An administrator would not have been allowed (by the law) to do what Lendy did, ie. pass to unsecured credtors part f the security which was deemed to repay secured creditors (lenders). You might think what you want of Lendy, but when a company does something that an eventual administrator would not be allowed by the law to do, then CLEARLY there is something deeply wrong in their acting. Then your only option is a long a drawn out court case if you feel that strongly about it. Good luck
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