ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 5, 2018 1:44:32 GMT
No idea. But I presume a Receiver is unlikely to favour the risks of a build-out over a simpler sale in current condition unless they believe the outcome for creditors would be materially better. (You really should go read up about the Law of Property Act) Would administration vs administrative receivership give the same end result? AIUI Administrative receivership doesn't really exist anymore as it only applies to pre 2003 charges. Correct term is fixed charge receiver (or often LPA receiver). Administration & receivers have have different purposes/pwers though may end in the same result. A receiver is appointed by a charge holder under a fixed charge (legal mortgage) to realise a debt via sale of the charged asset(s). This may result in the company going bust. Administration is the appointment of an administrator by a court at the request of a floating charge (debenture) holder or the company (to protect creditors) and has the job of seeking to repay debts while keeping the company going. If that isn't possible they will wind up the company & maximise returns to creditors. In most cases Lendy has fixed & floating charges and will enforce which ever will give best result to lenders. In some cases there will be more than one party with different charges on each. Eg DFL001 fixed charge on property owned by individual, debenture (fixed & floating charges) on related company. Receiver appointed on property, no action against company. Nara guide is worth looking at, detailed with case studies
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Post by Mr_N on Dec 5, 2018 4:10:21 GMT
Would administration vs administrative receivership give the same end result? AIUI Administrative receivership doesn't really exist anymore as it only applies to pre 2003 charges. Correct term is fixed charge receiver (or often LPA receiver). Administration & receivers have have different purposes/pwers though may end in the same result. A receiver is appointed by a charge holder under a fixed charge (legal mortgage) to realise a debt via sale of the charged asset(s). This may result in the company going bust. Administration is the appointment of an administrator by a court at the request of a floating charge (debenture) holder or the company (to protect creditors) and has the job of seeking to repay debts while keeping the company going. If that isn't possible they will wind up the company & maximise returns to creditors. In most cases Lendy has fixed & floating charges and will enforce which ever will give best result to lenders. In some cases there will be more than one party with different charges on each. Eg DFL001 fixed charge on property owned by individual, debenture (fixed & floating charges) on related company. Receiver appointed on property, no action against company. Nara guide is worth looking at, detailed with case studies Fantastic stuff, thank you so much! I'll set some time aside to familiarise myself with it. I knew Lendy obviously have fixed but was unaware they had any floating. All the more reason investors should be provided with copies of loan terms, even if in an abridged format. Quite unbelievable that they would then go on to create so-called investor votes without any pertinent information being available other than "sell now" or "litigate now".
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mjc
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Post by mjc on Dec 5, 2018 7:04:59 GMT
Would administration vs administrative receivership give the same end result? AIUI Administrative receivership doesn't really exist anymore as it only applies to pre 2003 charges. Correct term is fixed charge receiver (or often LPA receiver). Administration & receivers have have different purposes/pwers though may end in the same result. A receiver is appointed by a charge holder under a fixed charge (legal mortgage) to realise a debt via sale of the charged asset(s). This may result in the company going bust. Administration is the appointment of an administrator by a court at the request of a floating charge (debenture) holder or the company (to protect creditors) and has the job of seeking to repay debts while keeping the company going. If that isn't possible they will wind up the company & maximise returns to creditors. In most cases Lendy has fixed & floating charges and will enforce which ever will give best result to lenders. In some cases there will be more than one party with different charges on each. Eg DFL001 fixed charge on property owned by individual, debenture (fixed & floating charges) on related company. Receiver appointed on property, no action against company. Nara guide is worth looking at, detailed with case studies Useful. For me the clarication most useful was: ”Negotiations with the borrower While the law, and almost certainly the loan agreement, will allow the lender to appoint a receiver or administrator in the event of default, it may not always be in the lender’s best interests to do so. For example, if the market has fallen, the value of the secured property may not be sufficient to repay the amount of loan outstanding. In a depressed market (notably that in the UK and Ireland from 2008) banks may also have concerns that appointing receivers to sell a large number of properties subject to loans in default may itself have a depressing effect on market values as a whole. The lender may therefore sometimes be best advised to work with the borrower in agreeing acceptable terms to vary repayments or to ignore a breach in the LTV covenant in order to avoid the more drastic action of enforcing the default provisions. In so doing the lender will need to work closely with insolvency professionals to ensure the best outcome and in the case of property loans this will usually be a Registered Property Receiver, despite the fact that a formal appointment may never in practice be required. Ultimately the lender is likely to be seeking a course of action which allows the best chance of recovering its loan and any outstanding interest while at the same time acting, if possible, in the best interests of the borrower. Appointment of an administrator An administrator is appointed by a lender to act as an interim chief executive when a company is insolvent. The administrator’s job is to run the company as a going concern while options as to its future (for example, recapitalisation, sale or break-up) are explored.”
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Post by zedi on Dec 5, 2018 9:13:53 GMT
For me the clarication most useful was: ”Negotiations with the borrower While the law, and almost certainly the loan agreement, will allow the lender to appoint a receiver or administrator in the event of default, it may not always be in the lender’s best interests to do so. For example, if the market has fallen, the value of the secured property may not be sufficient to repay the amount of loan outstanding. In a depressed market (notably that in the UK and Ireland from 2008) banks may also have concerns that appointing receivers to sell a large number of properties subject to loans in default may itself have a depressing effect on market values as a whole. The lender may therefore sometimes be best advised to work with the borrower in agreeing acceptable terms to vary repayments or to ignore a breach in the LTV covenant in order to avoid the more drastic action of enforcing the default provisions. In so doing the lender will need to work closely with insolvency professionals to ensure the best outcome and in the case of property loans this will usually be a Registered Property Receiver, despite the fact that a formal appointment may never in practice be required. Ultimately the lender is likely to be seeking a course of action which allows the best chance of recovering its loan and any outstanding interest while at the same time acting, if possible, in the best interests of the borrower. Appointment of an administrator An administrator is appointed by a lender to act as an interim chief executive when a company is insolvent. The administrator’s job is to run the company as a going concern while options as to its future (for example, recapitalisation, sale or break-up) are explored.” I hope this is not new to you, it´s exactly what all the platforms are constantly saying: It´s not in the best interest of the lenders to always immediatly appoint an administrator! And also, appointing an administrator isn´t going to work for free!
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mjc
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Post by mjc on Dec 5, 2018 17:02:22 GMT
No of course this is not new, or that anyone works for free, I wouldn’t, why would they?
What was useful is the clear definitions of the practitioner’s trade group between receivers and administrators. A few CEO’s could usefully be replaced until the business’ are sorted out. After all the borrower stands to lose all of their money if the project fails. Unless it as a scam from the start - which I am sure some are.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 5, 2018 20:14:50 GMT
The point to remember it s that most development loans are to SPV, so once the project is resolved the company gets dissolved as its purpose is done. Therefore there is in most cases little difference between appointing administrators or receivers and both will probably end in the same result as they are only likely to be appointed over a failing project so no chance of saving the company as a going concern. One point is that administrators, being in control of the company, can investigate director actions. OTTOMH receivers may not have those powers.
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Post by scerbera on Dec 6, 2018 14:48:24 GMT
Can anyone explain to me why given that the asset looks to repay the loan that this shouldn't now immediately be called in. Sell the security, return monies to investors.
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Post by brightspark on Dec 6, 2018 16:21:02 GMT
The platform must act in a reasonable and equitable manner taking into account the interests of lenders, borrowers and its own interests.
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Post by loftankerman on Dec 6, 2018 16:32:39 GMT
Can anyone explain to me why given that the asset looks to repay the loan that this shouldn't now immediately be called in. Sell the security, return monies to investors. I can offer no explanation, but I have wondered if going in heavy on this might turn over a few stones in relation to the doomed sheds project that might be a bit too embarrassing.
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Post by scerbera on Dec 6, 2018 16:36:17 GMT
The platform must act in a reasonable and equitable manner taking into account the interests of lenders, borrowers and its own interests. Well it's in default, they have already had additional time with the incompetent deal in the summer. What are they waiting for, Lendy are a complete joke.
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Post by Mr_N on Dec 7, 2018 10:49:09 GMT
Can anyone explain to me why given that the asset looks to repay the loan that this shouldn't now immediately be called in. Sell the security, return monies to investors. Because Lendy woefully misled the public when advertising "fully indemnified security values to protect against rogue valuations" with "plenty of equity" and then proceeded to collect securities and make a profit from capital on the basis of rogue valuations, and failed to take any action against the parties indemnifying them. Thus we arrive at misled investors and securities that have no buyer interest even when being sold at 70% of the "indemnified" value. It's a common theme around these parts.
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Post by brightspark on Dec 7, 2018 11:57:50 GMT
The platform must act in a reasonable and equitable manner taking into account the interests of lenders, borrowers and its own interests. Well it's in default, they have already had additional time with the incompetent deal in the summer. What are they waiting for, Lendy are a complete joke. A fire sale is likely to create even further capital destruction. Grit teeth and bear with it as a deal emerges. The final outcome will benefit Lendy least as investors give the platform the thumbs down.
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Post by Mucho P2P on Dec 7, 2018 12:22:08 GMT
Well it's in default, they have already had additional time with the incompetent deal in the summer. What are they waiting for, Lendy are a complete joke. A fire sale is likely to create even further capital destruction. Grit teeth and bear with it as a deal emerges. The final outcome will benefit Lendy least as investors give the platform the thumbs down. FYI - I realise that this issue is annoying (I too have capital tied up in this loan). From personal experience in matters where I lend on a private capacity and not through any P2Ps, it takes on average 4-12 months to finanlise deals where multi parties are involved. Delays from legal issues, to one party "thinking it over" in detail, are the primary reasons for the delay if the finance is readily available.
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Post by jcb208 on Feb 1, 2019 18:18:57 GMT
I just don't understand some of Lendys updates ,why are they now seeking funding for the completion of DFL005.I thought this project was complete and up and running
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Post by brightspark on Feb 1, 2019 19:15:25 GMT
I think your understanding reflects the Lendy update of 16/02/2018 in which lenders were advised that a Certificate of Practical Completion had been issued by the contractor with photos of the completed development able to be viewed on the Lendy website.
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