sqh
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Post by sqh on Sept 13, 2016 14:17:33 GMT
Prior to PBL52 the woodland was originally offered as PBL024 (see repaid loans), although it never drewdown. It was a first charge on 518 acres and SS used the 180 day valuation of £1.87m. The amount borrowed was £720k giving an LTV of 33%.
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Post by meledor on Sept 13, 2016 14:22:33 GMT
The borrower is identified on page 12 of the valuation report. He had a career in social work. Among his property interests is a portfolio of houses he rents to a homeless charity he set up and is a director of (found by searching the borrowers name on Companies House website). Annual rent of £1.2m was received by the borrower and disclosed as a related party transaction in the last set of accounts for the homeless charity. The rent levels are effectively set by the local council but nonetheless this would seem to indicate a sizeable property portfolio.
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Post by arbster on Sept 13, 2016 15:18:18 GMT
Which is encouraging, assuming the loan is not secured solely on the (overvalued) woodland.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 15:27:34 GMT
Which is encouraging, assuming the loan is not secured solely on the (overvalued) woodland. Well, the loan is secured only on the woodland. But you have to wonder why very wealthy people like this borrower come and get expensive bridging loans for long periods of time (this is already an extension of a relaunch...). I don't get the project he has in mind here.
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Sept 13, 2016 15:31:05 GMT
Which is encouraging, assuming the loan is not secured solely on the (overvalued) woodland. Let's break it down... Woodland | : | £ 2,482,350 | Buildings, Rifle & Archery Range and Lake | : | £ 482,650 |
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Post by am on Sept 13, 2016 15:36:58 GMT
Which is encouraging, assuming the loan is not secured solely on the (overvalued) woodland. SS don't appear to have told us who/what the borrower is, but, if the individual is borrowing in a personal capacity, SS, if I understand correctly, can legally pursue the borrower for all his assets.
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Post by am on Sept 13, 2016 15:47:27 GMT
Which is encouraging, assuming the loan is not secured solely on the (overvalued) woodland. Well, the loan is secured only on the woodland. But you have to wonder why very wealthy people like this borrower come and get expensive bridging loans for long periods of time (this is already an extension of a relaunch...). I don't get the project he has in mind here. As I understand the property is part of a larger unit, which he wishes to keep together. (For example, access to the woodland is a positive selling feature for the livery stables mentioned in one of the VRs.) If I understand correctly, forestry holdings are generally IHT exempt, which adds to their desirability to wealthy individuals. (But it doesn't take too many years at bridging loan rates to eat up the IHT savings.)
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Post by grahamg on Sept 13, 2016 17:28:21 GMT
Well small woods (5-10 acres) down here in sussex seem to sell for about 10K an acre, but obviously does not scale up.
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Post by am on Sept 13, 2016 19:21:07 GMT
Well small woods (5-10 acres) down here in sussex seem to sell for about 10K an acre, but obviously does not scale up. I had a quick look for woodland on sale, and the first thing that came up was a company selling small woods as "lifestyle" purchases at around £10,000 per acre. (The nearest property to me is a rough pasture, rather than a woodland, and in my opinion ought to be going for more like £3,000 per acre.)
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 13, 2016 20:21:29 GMT
This one is going to be allocated bottom-up. Does anyone have any thoughts as to how much the maximum allocation might be? It's unfortunate that Investor has stopped updating the very useful table at the beginning of the Pre-Funding Info thread. (The last entry was PBL122, which went live nearly two months ago.) I queried what his intentions were (at the end of the thread), but that has brought no response. He was online earlier today, so he still exists, but a forum search says he's made only one posting since 4/Jul. (The system obviously doesn't count edits.) I do hope he's all right.
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Post by bloodycat on Sept 13, 2016 20:41:40 GMT
I would guess about £2k, though it could be somewhat higher if people are uneasy about the valuation.
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Post by jsmithe on Sept 13, 2016 21:29:30 GMT
What does not stack for me is why a 'wealthy landowner' would borrow money, especially as this is not a moneymaking project that would stretch his current wealth but ultimately improve it, unless I'm missing something.
My gut says avoid.
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Post by bloodycat on Sept 14, 2016 9:10:20 GMT
What does not stack for me is why a 'wealthy landowner' would borrow money, especially as this is not a moneymaking project that would stretch his current wealth but ultimately improve it, unless I'm missing something. My gut says avoid. Asset rich but cash poor. Repayment is via funds from disposal of other assets, it does make some sense to borrow against those you want to keep rather than those you are disposing of as it simplifies the disposal. We don't know what the original funds were for, it might have been to clear some other outstanding debt or to invest in a new project from which the returns far exceed the short term cost of the interest. I must admit I would have thought they would do better putting up more properties as security for a lower LTV and therefore better rate from other sources, but there again its possible that the extra fees and complexity involved would negate most of the benefit.
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Post by cooling_dude on Sept 14, 2016 13:22:00 GMT
Just Gone Live
£2,400 Allocation
1942 Investors @ Live
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Post by cooling_dude on Sept 14, 2016 13:36:37 GMT
Hmmm
With that allocation, and with the new bottoms up across the board, I suspect the majority will be happy....
I don't think the BH are going to be happy though
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