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Post by sirkillalot on Dec 14, 2017 16:30:34 GMT
Kicking the can down the road ? Maybe worth holding for the short term.
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Post by zlb on Dec 16, 2017 0:00:05 GMT
New PBL in the pipeline to fully repay this one. No automatic roll-over. Interesting change in tack for Lendy. Rather than just using the existing LTV head room to raise the additional funds required to secure a six month extension (and accrued interest catch up) they are launching a whole new loan and giving PBL133 investor an option to get out. FCA intervention? Possibly, or their system isn't programmed for the mathematical calculations required ... As is possibly evidenced in this thread.
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Post by gustapher on Dec 16, 2017 10:47:02 GMT
As someone who has always wanted a small piece of woodland to invest in, this sort of loan really appeals to me (location, not a DFL, diversity of asset class). It is also emotional, however, so not the best reasons for investing (camping, field archery, forestry/conservation work etc - I love it!). Valued at 6k per acre which includes the lake, fishing rights, air rifle stuff, forestry buildings and other bits and pieces the valuation of £3 million is pretty conservative and is definitely not over the top. Given this was done in 2016 I wouldn't be surprised if it was even a little higher. As the valuation states the woodland can be broken up and sold in smaller parcels for increased valuation - see for example sites like www.woodlands.co.uk/. As someone with half an eye on these smaller plots they do shift at a steady pace and being close to London I can't see a problem selling if it came to it. The valuation puts these smaller plots at 7k per acre but looking at the market today I'd say 10k is achievable for some parts (i.e. around the lake) and these rates never include forestry buildings. Therefore based on valuation and the LTV I'll definitely invest. Even if it took a year or two to sell I can't see how you would lose money. Obviously dyor etc. but I'm definitely in.
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Post by wottalot on Dec 19, 2017 19:38:39 GMT
As an existing investor, I'd like to remain invested in this at my present level. But this won't be an option as I understand it. So I'll have to rely on the secondary market again which is likely to be time-consuming. Can't we have a roll-over option please Let?
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Post by wottalot on Dec 19, 2017 19:39:37 GMT
That's Lendy !
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Post by elliotn on Dec 20, 2017 2:02:25 GMT
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Post by copacetic on Dec 20, 2017 11:36:38 GMT
The new PBL in the pipeline looks good. The borrower seems to be making an effort to hold onto the property with capital repayments and value looks reasonable. The only thing I would query is why the increase in borrowing? Adding up the fees and interest for the old and new loan:
1,159,643 *[1 + 0.04 + 0.02 + 0.2 * (183 + 53)/365] = £1,379,181
vs new loan value of £1,456,253 which is £77k higher. These are rough calculations obviously and I don't know whether the borrower would even have to pay entrance and exit fees but it seems a little strange that the borrower is increasing borrowing after trying to pay down capital this past few months.
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Post by skint4achange on Dec 20, 2017 12:30:45 GMT
Maybe he has another business opportunity in the pipeline and this is the asset he has that he can get the cheapest finance against (Low LTV).
As you say, from what we have seen from this lender he is waiting to keep the asset and will probably be no problem
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Post by bloodycat on Dec 20, 2017 12:31:49 GMT
I would expect that they have deliberately added a little extra contingency to allow for delays in the new loan going live for additional accrued interest and bonus. Also in addition to any fees Lendy might charge them they will also presumably be incurring additional costs of their own for legal fees etc. for this loan, as well as possibly wanting some extra available cash to cover upfront costs associated with disposing of the other assets to repay this loan.
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Post by SteveT on Dec 21, 2017 9:26:42 GMT
The replacement loan now seems to have disappeared from the pipeline. Presumably an alternative plan for repayment of PBL133 has emerged...
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Post by zlb on Dec 21, 2017 9:57:36 GMT
The replacement loan now seems to have disappeared from the pipeline. Presumably an alternative plan for repayment of PBL133 has emerged... Just noticed also - would be good to get an email to pre-investors... unless I missed it. Might have given a chance to take another opportunity if that investment wasn't to materialise.
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Post by skint4achange on Dec 21, 2017 11:41:22 GMT
Well, I lost a bet with myself that, following the holiday site in Devon, Rotherham would be the next to slip off the pipeline listings. The details for the new listing included: " We are happy to continue to rely upon the existing valuation report and due diligence carried out in August 2016." and the last update of these Woodlands was: " Our due diligence continues and we intend to instruct our legal team shortly to prepare the requisite facility documentation. It is anticipated that this new loan will complete in early 2018." -- so, sounds like it was close, and maybe it will return in a slightly restructured format. However, that new listing had an 'Exit strategy' comment of: " The borrower will be selling properties from within his portfolio and is also refinancing another property asset and we are advised these sale and refinance negotiations are well advanced." Perhaps those arrangements have progressed more quickly than expected meaning this re-fi is no longer needed and Lendy will allow PBL133 to roll on in default (or Interest Accruing as preferred by the platform) being paid down piecemeal as the above funds materialise. I'm sure Lendy Support will reveal all in tomorrow's update.My bold, underlined: Ha ha ha, that's what I like about you 2p2p, your sense of humour about the immortals who run Lendy!
I am confident that this will repay, but as you mention above, just how and when is debatable!
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Post by mary on Dec 28, 2017 17:33:12 GMT
Seems to be Lendy's new strategy, as the pre-Christmas update said, both DFL08 and 12 would soon have new second charge loans issued.
Although it will be interesting to see how these fare as this first issue of a second charge offers no higher interest rate or cashback incentive over the original terms of PLB133. As such I will be passing.
I think all 3 of these loans are solid, but offering the same terms with only second charge priority does not meet my risk/reward criteria.
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Post by jonno on Dec 29, 2017 12:07:45 GMT
Lendy would be breaking their own precedent, though. For example, PBL166 is a 2nd chg loan behind PBL084 and both of those are 12%. At least this new loan is only 49% LTV, compared to the 70% LTV of PBL166. (That's current LTV - as part of the intended extension to the PBL84/166 pairing, a new valuation is being sought. Should make an interesting read if it's published. If it isn't and the extension goes ahead, lenders will draw their own conclusions.) Point well made. If by setting a "precedent" it ensures that the one aspiring to leadership Only find themselves following then where's the aspiration there? Leader, follower, trend setter, on trend or behind the curve these matters of aspiration are for the aspirational to decide. Wow. After all those aspirations I need an Aspirin
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Post by withnell on Dec 29, 2017 14:22:19 GMT
As I remember it, PBL166 filled while there was a lot of PBL084 on the market - so from Lendy's perspective unless it doesn't get the demand there's no real reaosn to offer a rate differentiation. I know I wouldn't touch a P2P 2nd charge having been stung before but clearly enough people are game
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