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Post by rogerthat on Apr 26, 2018 14:32:14 GMT
update to my last post - the below is from a legal site specialising in property transactions and the ones FS have seen aren't even signed... Now I am really worried about this one - pass me the Smutty Stick Gordon Bennett! Ditched all of Suffolk when the last opportunity arrived.. aka smug look
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Post by rogerthat on Apr 26, 2018 16:43:51 GMT
Good grief...rather large Smutty Stick required for tomorrow by the looks of it..and you have to admire the cojones of Anonymous on the SM...+1% on a chunk of a lower ranking loan 1 day active and rewarding the mug unfortunate silly enough to buy any with a whopping 11.87% ER..that is some brass neck
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Post by rambler on Apr 26, 2018 16:47:41 GMT
The latest loan renewal says: Cumulative lending £1,714,000. Asset value £3,500,000 LTV 34% ! (It was 49% before renewal) Have I missed something?
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Post by rogerthat on Apr 26, 2018 16:51:46 GMT
The latest loan renewal says: Cumulative lending £1,714,000. Asset value £3,500,000 LTV 34% ! (It was 49% before renewal) Have I missed something? Don't think you've missed anything at all..but it looks like FS have managed to lose 15%
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Post by james21 on Apr 26, 2018 18:36:43 GMT
Good grief...rather large Smutty Stick required for tomorrow by the looks of it..and you have to admire the cojones of Anonymous on the SM...+1% on a chunk of a lower ranking loan 1 day active and rewarding the mug unfortunate silly enough to buy any with a whopping 11.87% ER..that is some brass neck I liked the FS comment zoned for land fill
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Post by adrian77 on Apr 26, 2018 19:54:14 GMT
I don't believe this - this loan is to pay the interest of the prior 2 loans and yet ranks behind them. And there are 2 loans that rank behind this one I think? Granted I am very tired but it looks to me that you can invest in the SM with one of these tranches that ranks behind this one at 1% premium or you can invest in a tranche ahead of this one at a discount of 0.4%. Granted this loan will pay the interest for the 2 prior loans but it won't repay the capital and all I can see is planning expenses etc for this land
Nonsense such as the above is not very original and really getting my goat.
Well we have heard all this before and in my humble opinion the "update" should read "the client is trying like no tomorrow to get cheaper finance but FS are the only people daft enough to advance the money. This client is not exactly under retirement age and has a very interesting business history and seems to have completely duped us with totally meaningless "legal" documention which would be worthless even if it were signed which it wasn't"
I make a very modest living as a small developer and that is my investing my own cash and I just don't see any profit once 30% interest has been paid on most developments especially this one which seems rooted in pure fantasy since 2001 if not before. Pawning a watch is one thing but to pawn 300 acres to build a snow resort in the Suffolk countryside is another.
Of all the property loans I have raised my concerns this one makes them pale into insignificance - just how much experience have FS got in funding 8 figure multi-million pound speculative developments. Donald Trump (I don't like him) has experience of these sorts of projects and I can't see him borrowing money at 30% to fund them (and yes I know some of them went very badly wrong). Also the Donald has not got a very good reputation for paying his bills on time if at all!
Can FS outperform the very sharp accountants and world class building experts that Trump does - answers on a digital postcard...
Of course they can - this one will be a winner but what do I know although I think I will pass on the latest offering...
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Post by adrian77 on Apr 27, 2018 9:16:01 GMT
update- very good report by the valuer who stresses there are huge potential problems and the site is to be regarded as a medium to long term investment with possible minor tourist amenities and not a socking big snow dome for which there is virtually zero demand! Although I wonder if the land values are a bit optimistic due to possible contamination etc.
I find the above very confusing and don't understand what exactly is going on here and that alone worries me - I also don't understand why the 2 futher loans (£213K) aren't included in the LTV. What we seem to have is this loan being used to pay the interest for loans 8628128515 and 825359238 viz £1,255K capital and if we take interest at 30% that is about £180k over 6 months so how on earth is this developer going to repay this interest and let capital in 6 months time! Only solution is that he borrows yet again? Thus this chap is borrowing money to pay interest on borrowed money... To have a problematic asset with no chance whatsoever of realising any short term income whilst borrowing nearly £2m smackers at 30% or whatever interest strikes me as a tad challenging and more of a junk bond than a secure investment.
I make the LTV way over 50% and this might possibly help to explain why this chap has to pay pawn rates for this land and no conventional lender will go anywhere near this one.
I look forward to FS posting the signed Head of Terms because as a born again and time-served cynic I wonder it they are actually signed.
Old saying come to mind "when digging a hole with a smutty stick know when to stop digging"
Yet another fascinating FS property loan to follow.
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Post by rogerthat on Apr 27, 2018 9:55:02 GMT
Not that is affects me but for those it does or may do..the renewal loan 3206203316 should read 49% LTV (and not 34%) Update: 24/4/18 Heads of terms have been signed to sell the land to a hedge-fund backed consortium, the selling price being sufficient to repay all loans. We have sight of the unsigned terms and have been advised that signed copies are now with solicitors. I'm not a legal beagle but does the above make sense ? Edit Should that have been translated as ' Heads of terms have been drawn up to sell the land to a hedge-fund backed consortium, the selling price sufficient to repay all loans. We have sight of the unsigned terms and have been advised that the unsigned copies are now with the solicitors' ? Surely, if the HOT's had already been signed then the loan preamble would have said so..i.e. SOLD Edit..the sequel Found this somewhere later..."Also known as letters of intent, memoranda of understanding, heads of agreement, letters of potential interest, term sheets or protocols. A document which sets out the terms of a commercial transaction agreed in principle between parties in the course of negotiations. Heads of terms evidence serious intent and have moral force, but do not legally compel the parties to conclude the deal on those terms or even at all. However, provisions relating to confidentiality and costs may be binding on the parties" Live and learn
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Post by ozboy on Apr 27, 2018 10:55:36 GMT
AFAIK "Heads of Terms" or "Heads of Agreement" are only a framework and in principle, they are not binding.
HoTs / HoAs lead to a Contract, which of course IS binding.
So HoTs & HoAs are really useless bits of bum paper. AFAIK!
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Post by pigbreeder on Sept 25, 2018 20:51:58 GMT
Sorted with a very nice return
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Post by rogerthat on Sept 25, 2018 21:15:09 GMT
Bailed out a while back but well pleased for the remaining investors
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Post by Godanubis on Sept 26, 2018 1:25:14 GMT
Bailed out a while back but well pleased for the remaining investors Stuck with this and bought a lot more at 23% so very happy at overall return
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Post by aj on Sept 26, 2018 6:16:53 GMT
A good result for all*. That snowdome is still never going to happen though.
*Except the borrowers who had allegedly already sunk £20m into the site as of 2016
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Post by rogerthat on Sept 26, 2018 8:43:32 GMT
Bailed out a while back but well pleased for the remaining investors Stuck with this and bought a lot more at 23% so very happy at overall return Didn't sell..just didn't retain at the last renewal..half a loaf blah blah blah
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Post by kielbasa on Sept 26, 2018 9:16:23 GMT
Another good result for investors.
More of the same please, FS.
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