hendragon
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Post by hendragon on Nov 16, 2016 22:06:07 GMT
an interesting comparison bigfoot. Williams & Glyn to become Zilliams & Glyn?
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Post by vanthel on Nov 17, 2016 0:09:12 GMT
It will be interesting to see how this pans out and whether they can offer anything better than the banks can manage with FSCS cover and instant cash withdrawals. Else I don't see the point, unless they are convinced being classed as a proper bank will bring in new customers. I wonder how the p2p and banking arms will interact if at all? Maybe if they can get tens of thousands of people in cash accounts paying 0.001% they can put that into their lending products subject to bank capital requirements. Perhaps the cost of managing customer accounts is cheaper than having to pay out 3%+ on their current products? Whilst it's an easy conclusion to jump to, the press release makes no mention of touching the current account market - only "new and innovative savings and borrowing products". This implies either something we haven't seen, or something else. Off the top of my head I'm imagining a credit card that takes out micro loans with purchases up to a pre-agreed limit or a fixed term/fixed rate savings account with the guarantees of a high-street bank but with the returns a P2P model provides. If this means debts continue to not be sold off, and my savings aren't just flung to a trading floor - then I'd be happy to throw even more money at them than I already am.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Nov 17, 2016 9:01:50 GMT
What about a mortgage which instead of paying of the principal invests in P2P loans and then ...
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Post by happy on Nov 17, 2016 10:04:28 GMT
an interesting comparison bigfoot. Williams & Glyn to become Zilliams & Glyn? Or should that be Zilliams and Glopa
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Post by sl75 on Nov 17, 2016 17:53:03 GMT
It was clear that was the direction they were going in when they launched safeguard...
That was the point where it seemed to me that Zopa stopped looking at innovation, and instead sought to imitate the traditional banking system.
The question then is whether acquiring a banking licence will ultimately be used to allow the P2P side to become more innovative (branching out into new and innovative ideas that would scare off the mass-market investors who are more comfortable with something that looks like a bank, and even more comfortable with something that actually is a bank), or if the P2P side of the business will then simply be allowed to wither away and die over the following few years as the remaining P2P loans get paid off.
(compare with how Safeguard was originally introduced as an alternative to what were then "standard" P2P loans, and very quickly become the only available option).
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Post by mrclondon on Nov 17, 2016 18:01:47 GMT
It will be very interesting to see whether Ratesetter follow them in this general direction of travel. It certainly wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by jaswells on Nov 17, 2016 23:43:34 GMT
Once they get availability to cheap capital as with any bank they will simply have a range of products with returns marginally higher than high street banks (due to lower costs). Bit depressing really if this is the long term goal for most p2p's. Fractional reserve banking is the problem for savers, p2p hoped to meet a need. Zopa is going over to the dark side.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Nov 18, 2016 8:31:21 GMT
It will be very interesting to see whether Ratesetter follow them in this general direction of travel. It certainly wouldn't surprise me. IMO they are halfway there already, having disconnected the loan term between lenders and borrowers, and largely disconnected the rate too. Just need a licence and some cheap bulk funds ....
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Post by hendragon on Nov 18, 2016 10:12:38 GMT
Perhaps the evolution of the mutual societies will provide some guidance as to how P2P might evolve. Although the Nationwide is still a mutual in name some might question if it is a mutual in ethos and operation. In a similar way Zopa might remain a P2P lender in name but not in ethos or operation. (De P2Pisation?)
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Post by wangja on Nov 24, 2016 10:23:44 GMT
It took me by surprise I must say.
I still mourn the loss of listings .... happy days ....
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Post by ashtondav on Nov 24, 2016 14:08:08 GMT
It took me by surprise I must say. I still mourn the loss of listings .... happy days .... Eh? You're a new member, so did your Dad sit you on his knee and tell you about the good old days of choosing your rates and who you lent to.
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Post by pepperpot on Nov 24, 2016 14:40:37 GMT
New round 'ere maybe, -this- might jog a few grey cells...
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Post by wangja on Nov 29, 2016 1:11:12 GMT
It took me by surprise I must say. I still mourn the loss of listings .... happy days .... Eh? You're a new member, so did your Dad sit you on his knee and tell you about the good old days of choosing your rates and who you lent to. Yay, only a few posts 'ere - joined in 2013 after the ZOPA forum closed its doors.
Been a ZOPA member almost as long as you ... long time on the ZOPA forum but there is just so little to talk about now.
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