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Post by 2wolfbag2 on Jan 6, 2017 12:02:52 GMT
I suppose it depends on your side of the fence. Personally, I've been with SS for about 2 years and in that time I've built up a nice portfolio which I'm now having to sell. If I was buying then obviously I wouldn't want a premium. Hey-ho, I've made a good return and can now sell instantly. Yeah jump if you get the chance of a better investment - I've got a worry that the whole P2P system will crash and burn and when it does it'll be like the South Sea bubble. Those old words - if it looks too good to be true then it probably is - may come and haunt us all Good luck with your future endeavours mate
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Post by Jeepers on Jan 6, 2017 12:17:15 GMT
I take it you don't invest in P2P then? Or is the scaremongering because you're stuggling to get invested and want people to sell up?
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Post by lofty on Jan 6, 2017 12:35:52 GMT
My main concern with p2p lending is that its newer and so hasn't really been really tested when there's a big economic downturn. For example when the brexit vote happened the SM got a bit log jammed for a month or so, and that was hardly the biggest shock in history. There's the possible oncoming storms of a Euro crisis, China realising they can't just go on inventing money, Trump doing something. That said, the model of investors lending to others is basically what what normal banks do anyway. I deposit £50 into my RBS/Northern Rock (insert any high street bank here) current account and they recklessly loan it out to anyone who wants a sub-prime mortgage. The differences between p2p and banking is a bit more transparency that we can see who's actually getting the loans. Personally I feel a bit more in control with p2p that I do with some anonymous bank/fund manager. I'll overlook the bit about banks having protection of funds of £70K because that doesn't aid my argument...
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Post by GeorgeT on Jan 6, 2017 13:20:01 GMT
No it's not always like this and it wont always be like this . only today I have read on the BBC where the shocking piece from the most expert Internet Security person in the country saying that this year yes 2017 one of our biggest banks is going to go bust because of a hacking cyber attempt and when you compare their security with the peer to peer security it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that and i t failure type of attack which brings down a whole platform and loses people their money is what is going to destroy this industry even before the next property price crash. let's be honest with ourselves the security of these DIY websites and how easy it is to log in and how many mistakes the system makes and how they Jam up if more than half a dozen people try to use them at once let's be honest it's been a worry for lots of people and now the cyber security man himself has confirmed our concerns on the BBC and in relation to a big bank as well that tells you how serious the problem is. what will happen is as soon as that first problem arises whether it's a big loss of money off people's capital or it's a big hat that destroy the platforms computer systems and people have no access to their money all Investments whatever it might be it will cause a panic like a tsunami and you will have the ripples being felt across the entire industry with thousands of savers stampeding to get their money out at the same time and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that if you have got 50000 sellers and no buyers that there's no business being done.
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Post by Companion Cube on Jan 6, 2017 13:23:10 GMT
I'll overlook the bit about banks having protection of funds of £70K because that doesn't aid my argument... That's an interesting thought. I suspect that if P2P was suddenly protected by £70K then the demand to invest would be ridiculously high and no one would get a decent slice of investment and the platforms could pay what they liked, say 3%. Maybe the cost to borrowers would drop and result in more loans to go around. But the unavoidable constant would be a lower return for us.
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Post by p2p2p on Jan 6, 2017 13:54:31 GMT
I'd not want premiums/discounts on the SM. FC has it on theirs and it always niggles me to have to pay extra because someone with faster fingers or a bot got it first. Similarly their 0.25% sale charge annoys. I much prefer SSs flat market, where there is no cost to trading.
I played the SM game a lot as I wanted to diversify quickly. With hindsight it would have been much easier to ask for large positions in the pipeline, and sell off chunks of loans later if I couldn't cover my position.
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Post by 2wolfbag2 on Jan 6, 2017 17:33:38 GMT
I take it you don't invest in P2P then? Or is the scaremongering because you're stuggling to get invested and want people to sell up? Not at all Jeepers - I've got close to a scary amount (for me !) invested (six figures in p2p) - I'm pretty much diversified and I love the interest rates (currently around 10%) - I'm petrified of B2L (one bad tenant and you face serious loss) - the banks only offering region of 1% (if you lucky and prepared to tie it up) - funds and equities appear to me to be about as risky (yeah i'm invested there too) - but like I stated - i have a deep rooted paranoia that it could all come tumbling down - so initially I only invested what I could afford to lose - I'm in a bit deeper than that now - if it does tumble it gonna hurt but I think I can survive it - the point I was trying to make was that if you got a better investment (ie you gotta live somewhere so you're saving around 3% on mortgage) then for security that's absolutely the place you gotta put your dosh Best regards
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Post by Jeepers on Jan 6, 2017 19:25:45 GMT
I take it you don't invest in P2P then? Or is the scaremongering because you're stuggling to get invested and want people to sell up? Not at all Jeepers - I've got close to a scary amount (for me !) invested (six figures in p2p) - I'm pretty much diversified and I love the interest rates (currently around 10%) - I'm petrified of B2L (one bad tenant and you face serious loss) - the banks only offering region of 1% (if you lucky and prepared to tie it up) - funds and equities appear to me to be about as risky (yeah i'm invested there too) - but like I stated - i have a deep rooted paranoia that it could all come tumbling down - so initially I only invested what I could afford to lose - I'm in a bit deeper than that now - if it does tumble it gonna hurt but I think I can survive it - the point I was trying to make was that if you got a better investment (ie you gotta live somewhere so you're saving around 3% on mortgage) then for security that's absolutely the place you gotta put your dosh Best regards I started off just the same (£100 I think) which has built up to a lot more than could bare to lose. I'm a risk taker, one day it will come up and bite me on the backside but it's served me well up to now. Most people my age don't have anything anyway, if I lose it all, I'm young enough to start again.
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Post by kulerucket on Jan 7, 2017 22:32:19 GMT
I could see myself going this way. At the moment I'm 10k in which wouldn't be nice to loose but wouldn't really make any difference. At 100k it would hurt a huge amount, but wouldn't be life changing.
At the moment, I'm very focused on diversification as I do have a niggling worry that platforms can easily go wrong with a few bad management decisions. I diversity across platforms, countries/currencies, and then depending on the platform within that as well, I think I can withstand one or two TrustBuddy style collaspes due to having enough platforms to cover losses. I am interested to know what are the more serious things that could happen to bring in all down that would not also affect traditional investments. I mean things like economical downturn. I can't help but wonder whether the only real difference is the 70k guarantee.
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