fogey
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Post by fogey on Mar 2, 2017 19:31:38 GMT
I waited until the situation here last autumn had improved before investing at the start of December.
My initial deposit took 44 days to reach over 95%, but part of that was over xmas/new year so that can be used as an excuse for me ! Subsequent additional smaller deposits have stabilised within 21 days. Reached 90 days at the end of February and I now have the official email that I am 100% invested. Just waiting to see how long that lasts now ..
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Post by dan1 on Mar 3, 2017 12:44:26 GMT
dan1 - I'm sorry that you feel our communication is poor. This isn't something that is normal a problem - have you tried to contact us and not had a response in a timely fashion? stevefindlay - I was referring to automated email communication that I'd of thought would be easy to put in place to update clients on their initial investments. For example, emails at 7, 14, 21, 28 days providing the % of funds invested. I assume that most of your clients don't frequent this forum and would expect their initial investment to be near enough fully invested by 28 days. Therefore, a courtesy email stating the % invested and perhaps why it hasn't been possible to fully invest by the 28 days would be wise (for example, low loan volume over the Christmas period, or record inflows of cash to the platform). I think the real problem lies with the statement in the "How it Works" that says "It can take 7-28 days for your funds to be fully deployed". In reality for a certain portion of clients, it may take significantly longer. I'm trying to be constructive - I recognise that it's all too easy to bash a platform for not doing this or that.
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Post by stevefindlay on Mar 3, 2017 12:52:55 GMT
dan1 - I'm sorry that you feel our communication is poor. This isn't something that is normal a problem - have you tried to contact us and not had a response in a timely fashion? stevefindlay - I was referring to automated email communication that I'd of thought would be easy to put in place to update clients on their initial investments. For example, emails at 7, 14, 21, 28 days providing the % of funds invested. I assume that most of your clients don't frequent this forum and would expect their initial investment to be near enough fully invested by 28 days. Therefore, a courtesy email stating the % invested and perhaps why it hasn't been possible to fully invest by the 28 days would be wise (for example, low loan volume over the Christmas period, or record inflows of cash to the platform). I think the real problem lies with the statement in the "How it Works" that says "It can take 7-28 days for your funds to be fully deployed". In reality for a certain portion of clients, it may take significantly longer. I'm trying to be constructive - I recognise that it's all too easy to bash a platform for not doing this or that. dan1 - these are very good ideas. We will look to implement more automated communications (emails) as the initial investment ramp up period unfolds. Thank you. We are already working on improved transparency / projection on a general basis too. More to follow on this in due course.
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teddy
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Post by teddy on Mar 3, 2017 23:17:32 GMT
Desposited my first £1k on Monday, and as of end of today, I've had £60 lent out. Not impressed so far. I'll give it another week, but if things don't improve, I'll be withdrawing. I could at least be getting some interest on £940 somewhere else.
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Post by lionelrichtea on Mar 3, 2017 23:21:48 GMT
Deposited £1k on 8th February, fully invested by 24th February.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Mar 4, 2017 8:12:21 GMT
Desposited my first £1k on Monday, and as of end of today, I've had £60 lent out. Not impressed so far. I'll give it another week, but if things don't improve, I'll be withdrawing. I could at least be getting some interest on £940 somewhere else. There's clearly something a bit less than even-handed with the allocation algorithms - this week's been a very good one for new loans going round. It'll be your turn soon enough. My mother started an account on Thursday, and was 84% invested across nearly 70 loans by the end of that day... I nearly doubled the amount in my own account this week yet, despite that, my %age invested has rocketed up from (IIRC) about 75% to 96%.
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Post by rookyone on Mar 4, 2017 13:31:09 GMT
Week 4 of 4 increased funds update
Current stats are now
No in Portfolio 92 (1 less than last week) BM have invested 90.96% of my funds (increase of approx' 6% on last week) This gives a BM calculated return of 8.9% (no change) Current XIRR (all funds, invested and not invested) is 4.62% (increase of 0.27% on last week)
Week four was an interesting week. The total portfolio holdings actually decreased to 92. However, the truer picture was that whilst 8 new investments were added, 9 older (smaller value) ones dropped off, hence the increased investment for fewer holdings. It was disappointing to note that 5 of the 8 new investments were only for a 1 month period, and at less than 7%... However, all things being equal they balance out with the higher percentage holdings.
The XIRR increased slightly, but remains low at 4.62% for my total invested sum. This figure will only show significant increases once the total sum invested is deployed, and then only after allowing more time to equal out to the BM target return percentage.
Bondmason state on their website '7-28 days for funds to be fully deployed'. That statement has been busted for my investment.
Next week, I will post week 5 of 4, I'm looking forward to seeing how things progress.
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Post by keystone on Mar 5, 2017 13:36:19 GMT
I would love this to be a black box account, like some of the other platforms where I don't have to check frequently. Unfortunately, due to the long 7 weeks it took for my funds to be deployed and that I have had 2 defaults in the short time I have been invested, my rate of return to date is well below expected and even though I am currently 98.50% invested at a higher headline rate.
After 6 months, I have calculated that that my final 1 year figure will be 6.44% after fees, baring no further defaults and rates staying exactly as they are. Now in reality, rates will change all the time but my current headline rate is almost at the highest it has been since I invested and I can't see it reaching over 10% which is what will be needed to return 7% after 1 year. I also have several invoice discounting loans which have passed their term length by a couple of months but are still classified as live, are these in reality late paying loans that may soon default? As for default, there seems to be a very small margin for defaults. How long do invoice discounting recoveries take?
Cash drag seems to be have had a massive effect here and taking 7 weeks as opposed to less than 24 hours to be invested will have had a spectacular effect on returns.
I'm also finding the time I'm spending here to check performance leads me to question if this really is a fire and forget account I thought it would be and if the same time could be spent better elsewhere. I was planning to move further funds over from another platform to BM but have now decided against that option for now.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Mar 6, 2017 9:22:59 GMT
I may change the % rate/loan to 1%, not yet decided. Not sure I'd bother - I'm on 2%, and very nearly 100% allocated - across 90 loans. Now, some of that is because I started with a toe-dip, and have increased a few times, but that %age is a maximum, not a hard-and-fast. Reducing it is primarily going to increase your cash drag, and reduce your actual return. As and when the deal flow increases noticeably, and 95%+ allocated becomes the status quo, then I might think about turning the wick down a bit. But not at the moment.
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Post by stevefindlay on Mar 6, 2017 17:02:12 GMT
This a re-post from another thread on our boards. I thought it may be of interest here too: "For a while I've wanted to create a couple of charts to illustrate the linkage between (1) Initial deployment (2) Ongoing deployment (3) Headline Rate and (4) Your return (IRR) over your first year with BondMason. Fortunately, this afternoon I've been able to find a few minutes to do this, so here are the charts... Chart One: This has "normal" rates of deployment - 28 days to get fully invested then 95-100% deployment for the rest of the year Chart Two: This has a slower rate of deployment - 40 days to get fully invested then 90-100% deployment for the rest of the year (and no, before you ask we are not looking to revise downward our deployment targets) As you can see, the initial deployment rate has a big impact on IRR during the first part of the year, but by the end of the year the difference is less pronounced. We may try and release this chart (or parts of it) in real time on your own dashboard. Let me know if that may be of interest and we can prioritise in the new feature list. I think it could provide a good level of additional insight / transparency."
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Post by dan1 on Mar 6, 2017 20:55:59 GMT
I decided to give BondMason a go, with funds withdrawn from another platform. I deposited £1k last night and within an hour or so it has been fully filled with 50 loans. I have noticed a fair percentage was with 1 or 2 month Invoice Discounting loans. However, i am not complaining and therefore on first impressions it's a Yes from me. Another chunk will probably deposited tonight to see how that pans out. Thanks brad . I decided to check my own progress following your post and no change, I'm stuck at 70% invested after >28 days with my XIRR at 2.4%. What I find most frustrating is the lack of communication and our experiences appear to be random. It's almost tempting to liquidate and start again. This evening I received a very welcome email from BondMason stating that my funds are fully invested. There were 13 new investments across 2 consecutive business days, mainly short term (1 or 3 month) Invoice Discounting. My current return stands at 8.17%, so a little headroom once fees are accounted for. Interestingly, 11 of those last 13 loans are each 3% (£30) of my £1k investment. My "Preferred Investment Concentration" is at 2%. I'm not sure what to make of the various experiences on here but I intend to stick with it and make an assessment after a full 12 months.
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Post by bugs4me on Mar 6, 2017 23:16:28 GMT
dan1 said - '....I'm not sure what to make of the various experiences on here but I intend to stick with it and make an assessment after a full 12 months....' I think that's a fair assessment. My XIRR is at 1.34% and gradually rising but that's after less than 4 weeks with 73% deployment. Far, far too early to make a judgement and I think we need to cut BM some slack around these parts. They are after all a relatively new platform that are no doubt working their socks off (plus maybe some other parts) to make a success of what could prove to be a nice earning passive investment. I have no objection to BM taking a headline 1% from the overall 8% thereby netting myself 7% although in reality the percentage take is 12.5%. There are plenty of other platforms earning I suspect well in excess of 50% and their DD leaves a lot to be desired. So I finish up, along with others doing a great deal of probing simply to get the information when in reality at 50% for virtually zero financial platform exposure they should be more forthcoming IMO. Plus of course you can only go so far with your own DD and still finish up getting the whole thing wrong. So for diversification I'll stick with BM for the 12 months as it's a bit thin on the ground ATM with this type of investment elsewhere.
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brad
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Post by brad on Mar 7, 2017 10:27:52 GMT
I think that i was extremely lucky in getting my initial £1k invested last week in a matter of hours. The extra £2k that i pumped in, 3 days ago, has got 3 new loans @ £60 each with 1 of the original loans expiring. A slow trickle of new loans every day will suit me & i too will give BM a descent length of time to see how they progress. Been there, done that, chasing the fast buck, with smouldering fingers. Slow & steady Eddie now along with just a few rushes of blood.
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Post by rookyone on Mar 11, 2017 23:54:57 GMT
Week 5 of 4 increased funds update (1 week overdue)
Current stats are now
No in Portfolio 95 (3 more than last week) BM have invested 91.12% of my funds (increase of approx' 0.1% on last week) This gives a BM calculated return of 8.78% (decrease of 0.12%) Current XIRR (all funds, invested and not invested) is 4.76% (increase of 0.14% on last week)
Week five was as flat as a pancake. No real movement towards being fully funded. Maybe the algorithm is weighted towards the 7-28 fully funding statement and once out side this?
Bondmason state on their website '7-28 days for funds to be fully deployed'. 35 days and counting and this statement is still busted for my investment.
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Post by nush on Mar 12, 2017 10:54:25 GMT
i must be doing something right, i add funds and within 3 or 4 days they get invested so i add more funds. currently 90 loans, £6 left to invest so will be adding funds again tomorrow, xirr is 5.18% but i have added funds 8 times since my initial investment. it did look slow when i first invested but no problems since
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