oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jun 3, 2014 12:26:31 GMT
Thank you for the comments so far. That £1 per unit deal really does interest me, seeing as they are making a feature of it.
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Post by davee39 on Jun 3, 2014 13:07:19 GMT
The £1/Unit is meaningless marketing. Assume 100 people each buy 1 £1 unit. The fund then goes out and buys £100 of shares, with a unit trust you are subscribing cash to be spent later. Because the £100 is a clean slate you hope the fund manager spends it wisely, and to a degree he has more freedom than the manager of an existing fund who might have to sell something to make a purchase. If six months later the shares owned by the fund have risen by 10% you will be able to buy units for £1.10. If they fall by 10% the units will cost £0.90.
In the past you had to pay a 5% initial fee when buying unit trusts, this fee would often be refunded for new issues. Today you do not have to pay an initial fee through most fund supermarkets so the offer would only be valuable if there was some form of cashback.
The way this launch is being promoted suggests it will be forced to largely invest in same large companies other trusts already invest in due to the volume of cash it is trying to attract at launch.
I am not suggesting there is anything wrong with this trust, only that there is no need to see it as an urgent but now while stocks last deal.
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Post by markr on Jun 3, 2014 13:07:55 GMT
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jun 3, 2014 13:53:37 GMT
Thank you again, gents. I think my mind is made up. No benefit in getting in at the wrong time because the "offer" (i.e. "to your advantage") actually isn't an "offer", it is just literally - an offer.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 3, 2014 14:48:18 GMT
Hargreaves Lansdown sent me a lovely glossy brochure about this fund though the post (you can download a PDF though from the link jimbo provided), which is interesting since I've never invested through them (Fidelity sent me nowt). If you do want this fund, and have no reason to go elsewhere, HL have negotiated 0.6% fees instead of the usual 0.75%. Personally, I'm not going to switch out of his old Invesco Perpetual funds, but I may dip a toe in. Like oldgrumpy, I'd be interested to know views about whether the £1 offer price is a good deal or not? Article in the press (Times, think it was Sunday Times) that there may be negotiations on a 'deal' between Perpetual and the new vehicle to allow investors to transfer holdings directly across (actually it was direct quotes from NW). The principle behind this was that a) A lot of people are and will move anyway b) the need to sell and reinvest would incur costs for individuals and since it was going to happen, wouldn't it be good for Invesco's reputation to smooth that/reduce the transaction costs c) given the size of the fund and potential transfers, to prevent volatility/disruption to the FTSE. Whether or not anything will come of it is a different matter. I can't see that Invesco will really want to reduce the height of the exit barrier.
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Post by markr on Jun 4, 2014 9:58:37 GMT
Hmm, thinking a bit more about c) makes we want to invest. If a mass stampede out of the Invesco funds does cause the FTSE to fall, NW's fund is in the perfect position to take advantage of it by having a big pot of money just waiting to "buy low". A chance for a short term gain maybe? I guess this is maybe what Invesco fears more than volatility, per-se - if the new fund is allowed to get a "head start" over the old Invesco funds then it will difficult for them to look good on comparison charts in the future.
Only trouble is, if I'm going to invest in this, take advantage of Wellesley's cashback and get some more into RS while the rates are up, the sofa is really going to have to come up trumps this time.
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Post by rudry2677 on Jun 4, 2014 11:37:34 GMT
I believe that NW's successor has an even better track record so it is unlikely that there will be any drama at Invesco.
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Post by davee39 on Jun 5, 2014 9:05:19 GMT
Just re-visited HL's Wealth 150 List. This is predicting a 4% yield and potentially could be a good buy. I will be waiting to see what it looks like when fully invested.
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Post by j on Jun 5, 2014 10:28:38 GMT
Just re-visited HL's Wealth 150 List. This is predicting a 4% yield and potentially could be a good buy. I will be waiting to see what it looks like when fully invested. I could understand someone whi does not in any way want the hassle of picking up their own p2p units or feels not experienced enough going for this. With a little bit of work though one can easily double or triple their return by buying direct from p2p sites?!
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Post by james on Jun 5, 2014 19:08:48 GMT
Perhaps also worth noting that the Invesco Perpetual High Income fund was removed from the equity income sector because it didn't meet the income requirement, to be 10% more than the FTSE over a three year rolling average. The Income fund is likely to follow. I doubt that there's a reason to expect anything else from the new fund but how much difference this will make due to the people who wanted it for income generation is unknown. The funds he was running have underperformed over the last few years but that isn't a surprise, it's expected when the FTSE is growing relatively quickly, as a result of the investing style.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 11, 2014 12:31:26 GMT
Does anyone have views on the Fundsmith Emerging Equities Trust due to launch shortly? I’m a fan of Terry Smith but Developing Economies?
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Post by jimbo on Jun 11, 2014 13:44:08 GMT
I will be buying shares, but not at launch. I am waiting for a significant global market correction; particularly in EM with China facing a credit bubble that is in serious danger of imploding.
Currently shorting the Euro and the Aussie Dollar against the US Dollar; the Aussie being a proxie for Chinese raw material demand - particularly iron ore. I don't feel comfortable going near shares in general right now...
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Post by davee39 on Aug 19, 2014 8:52:48 GMT
A recap on the Woodford fund.
Launched at £1 in June, fell to 97p, now back at a £1.
Heavily invested in tobacco and pharmaceuticals, with some interesting smaller companies.
I have made a small investment.
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Post by valerieb on Aug 22, 2014 8:23:53 GMT
A recap on the Woodford fund. Launched at £1 in June, fell to 97p, now back at a £1. Heavily invested in tobacco and pharmaceuticals, with some interesting smaller companies. I have made a small investment. Now at £1.01 - hooray!
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Post by wildlife2 on Sept 22, 2014 13:14:01 GMT
Visited H.L. earlier, Woodford fund now at 1.05. Awaiting news on his next fund.
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