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Post by df on Aug 18, 2017 15:59:49 GMT
MLIA £0.00, GBBA £0.00, QAA £0.06, 30-DAA £1.67, 30-DAA promo £0.10. Makes sense - 'Matrix' decides what is the most cost effective way to fill up the loan. Yaay! Got myself £8.26 worth of #527 in my MLIA account a couple of hours ago. Sorted. Exactly the same here - £8.26 in my MILA today
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Post by df on Aug 18, 2017 16:12:24 GMT
Assuming df had cash in all five accounts and there is only one df per account and if what chris is correct about everyone getting an equal allocation why are these these amounts not equal? Am I missing something? QAA / 30DAA / 30DAA promo account all have a directly proportional split based upon the amount df has invested in each. Nothing has been released to the market yet so the loan is still in its state at the point where it's drawn down, where it was underwritten by the access accounts. When the loan is released to the market the split will be equal amongst all lenders and accounts looking to invest. Yes, this is right. Allocations of 527 in all 3 accounts are in exact proportion with my holdings in each. Now I also have £8.26 in MLIA and £8.26 in GBBA.
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Post by wysiati on Aug 18, 2017 17:35:05 GMT
Yaay! Got myself £8.26 worth of #527 in my MLIA account a couple of hours ago. Sorted. Exactly the same here - £8.26 in my MILA today £8.26 here too - fully-diversified penny jar here we come!
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Aug 18, 2017 18:15:27 GMT
Chris or any other formilite with more knowledge than me, all of you really.In the past a loan drew down ,within a few hours we got our portion ,good,bad ,indifferent, fine. Now it goes off for a indeterminate period of time into the ether or one of the other accounts for a few ish days .Why,what significant gain to anybody is this ,a kind of game how much can we p**s off people who have made money available, then to think there is no allocation and then withdraw it and then miss out, its nuts.I can not believe any risk free income to AC of 3 days interest is worth the kind of ill feeling and customer service questions resulting.If its a internal process change thats caused this,change it and fast,its .
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Post by oldnick on Aug 19, 2017 17:51:36 GMT
Chris or any other formilite with more knowledge than me, all of you really.In the past a loan drew down ,within a few hours we got our portion ,good,bad ,indifferent, fine. Now it goes off for a indeterminate period of time into the ether or one of the other accounts for a few ish days .Why,what significant gain to anybody is this ,a kind of game how much can we p**s off people who have made money available, then to think there is no allocation and then withdraw it and then miss out, its nuts.I can not believe any risk free income to AC of 3 days interest is worth the kind of ill feeling and customer service questions resulting.If its a internal process change thats caused this,change it and fast,its . I'm not surprised that there has been no answer to this rather combative set of questions. Any one who attempts to take a less than critical line in explaining the mechanics of that platform is liable to be accused of being an AC stooge. But here goes Once upon a time AC would announce a loan was coming up so lenders could transfer money on to the platform in readiness, as it was first come first served in those days. There was no QAA so money sat waiting idly while documents were prepared and (sometimes) lenders undertook their own due diligence. This caused much frustration as the delay was either too long or too short; depending on lenders speed of reaction in moving their money and lodging their bid. The loans were often small compared to some more recent offerings and people were often disappointed in their allocation. Underwriters were used to ensure the loan was successfully launched on the day, and, naturally, suspicion and envy was occasionally expressed about their privileged position. Fast forward to today: AC announce loans are coming well in advance of the launch in response to complaints about a lack of time to move funds. Even better; there is an account provided; paying a competitive rate where lenders' money can luxuriate until needed. Underwriting is provided at no cost to the platform or lenders by many depositors who are happy just to earn 3.75% and have no intention of competing for a share of the loan. The loan is initially underwritten by the QAA and then distributed in an orderly fashion to those who make a bid and have money available. The fact that the initial share can be so small is a measure of the demand that this model has created. The only thing that hasn't changed is the queue of lenders who want to tell AC how they really should be running the platform. I've always thought that this freely given feedback is great for the platform, as without these active lenders it doesn't deserve to be called p2p. I think AC have changed their operations taking into account the feedback/complaints received, when it fitted their business plan, and will no doubt continue to do so in the future. I do still have money in the older loans, none at the new lower rates, and I do have a modest share holding in the company.
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Post by df on Aug 20, 2017 1:37:52 GMT
Chris or any other formilite with more knowledge than me, all of you really.In the past a loan drew down ,within a few hours we got our portion ,good,bad ,indifferent, fine. Now it goes off for a indeterminate period of time into the ether or one of the other accounts for a few ish days .Why,what significant gain to anybody is this ,a kind of game how much can we p**s off people who have made money available, then to think there is no allocation and then withdraw it and then miss out, its nuts.I can not believe any risk free income to AC of 3 days interest is worth the kind of ill feeling and customer service questions resulting.If its a internal process change thats caused this,change it and fast,its . I'm not surprised that there has been no answer to this rather combative set of questions. Any one who attempts to take a less than critical line in explaining the mechanics of that platform is liable to be accused of being an AC stooge. But here goes Once upon a time AC would announce a loan was coming up so lenders could transfer money on to the platform in readiness, as it was first come first served in those days. There was no QAA so money sat waiting idly while documents were prepared and (sometimes) lenders undertook their own due diligence. This caused much frustration as the delay was either too long or too short; depending on lenders speed of reaction in moving their money and lodging their bid. The loans were often small compared to some more recent offerings and people were often disappointed in their allocation. Underwriters were used to ensure the loan was successfully launched on the day, and, naturally, suspicion and envy was occasionally expressed about their privileged position. Fast forward to today: AC announce loans are coming well in advance of the launch in response to complaints about a lack of time to move funds. Even better; there is an account provided; paying a competitive rate where lenders' money can luxuriate until needed. Underwriting is provided at no cost to the platform or lenders by many depositors who are happy just to earn 3.75% and have no intention of competing for a share of the loan. The loan is initially underwritten by the QAA and then distributed in an orderly fashion to those who make a bid and have money available. The fact that the initial share can be so small is a measure of the demand that this model has created. The only thing that hasn't changed is the queue of lenders who want to tell AC how they really should be running the platform. I've always thought that this freely given feedback is great for the platform, as without these active lenders it doesn't deserve to be called p2p. I think AC have changed their operations taking into account the feedback/complaints received, when it fitted their business plan, and will no doubt continue to do so in the future. I do still have money in the older loans, none at the new lower rates, and I do have a modest share holding in the company. I signed up when QAA already existed, I thought it was a brilliant idea to minimise cash drag and attract new investors from 'lower rate less risk' background in one go. Out of platforms I know, AC is most innovative. 10%+ era is probably gone and earlier investors will gradually withdraw and reinvest elsewhere, but I think 8%- market is viable - loans get funded quickly.
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Post by kermie on Aug 20, 2017 11:01:57 GMT
I signed up when QAA already existed, I thought it was a brilliant idea to minimise cash drag and attract new investors from 'lower rate less risk' background in one go. Out of platforms I know, AC is most innovative. 10%+ era is probably gone and earlier investors will gradually withdraw and reinvest elsewhere, but I think 8%- market is viable - loans get funded quickly. About a year ago, I also started to pull money from AC as old MLIA 12% loans repaid, having been with AC since the early days. I withdrew so much that at one point I was at 25% of my peak AC holding. But I have since started shifting money back into AC (back up to about 40% peak, and climbing), and specifically onto 7-8% loans and also into the QAA and 30DAA. I've done this because I get the sense that more and more risk has to be taken by lenders to get 10%+ return, compared to even 12 months ago. You only have to look at AC borrowers who are refinancing with AC from 10% down to 8% to see this. It is not merely "smart" borrowers being canny with AC - it's where the credit market has shifted. In many loans @ 10%+, the risk/reward just seems out of kilter to me, now. Further to that, whilst I might have a lot of confidence in AC recoveries (even if they may take years), I am not so confident other platforms can achieve the same levels.
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Post by macq on Aug 20, 2017 12:06:47 GMT
I signed up when QAA already existed, I thought it was a brilliant idea to minimise cash drag and attract new investors from 'lower rate less risk' background in one go. Out of platforms I know, AC is most innovative. 10%+ era is probably gone and earlier investors will gradually withdraw and reinvest elsewhere, but I think 8%- market is viable - loans get funded quickly. About a year ago, I also started to pull money from AC as old MLIA 12% loans repaid, having been with AC since the early days. I withdrew so much that at one point I was at 25% of my peak AC holding. But I have since started shifting money back into AC (back up to about 40% peak, and climbing), and specifically onto 7-8% loans and also into the QAA and 30DAA. I've done this because I get the sense that more and more risk has to be taken by lenders to get 10%+ return, compared to even 12 months ago. You only have to look at AC borrowers who are refinancing with AC from 10% down to 8% to see this. It is not merely "smart" borrowers being canny with AC - it's where the credit market has shifted. In many loans @ 10%+, the risk/reward just seems out of kilter to me, now. Further to that, whilst I might have a lot of confidence in AC recoveries (even if they may take years), I am not so confident other platforms can achieve the same levels. you make a good point about borrowers being smart with AC and also other platforms as well.Unlike the early days there are more companies chasing the borrowers and the platforms are going to let the borrower refinance or consolidate loans if possible just to get more loans for their business.So my only concern would be that some loans that should be 10-14% due to the risk will be pushed down to 7-8% by market forces and may appear safer then they are.But with every IFISA that opens or new company starting there will be more money chasing less loans so may be people have to accept a smaller rate or look to other investments.
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