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Post by stevefindlay on Mar 2, 2017 21:53:08 GMT
I just wanted to share what we are currently working on in order of priority:
1. Deployment 2. Deployment 3. Deployment
I fully understand the frustrations of not having your funds fully deployed promptly. This is our biggest priority right now.
We are working on a number of initiatives, some should bear fruit quickly, others will take some time.
We currently suggest it will take 7-28 days for each deposit to be fully deployed on average. And too often it is taking more than 28 days on average.
My commitment to all our clients (and this forum) is to prioritise all deployment initiatives so that all deposits can have a realistic expectation of being fully deployed within 7 days.
I hope we can achieve this by the end of Q2 2017 (although that may be a stretch).
We will also look at ways to provide greater transparency around estimated deployment periods.
I'll look to provide updates to this thread as each initiative materialises.
In the meantime, please please rest assured that we are not willing to compromise on loan quality to solve the deployment speed issue. We have enough loans available to us to get everyone 100% invested right now, but we will not compromise on quality.
Also, we suggest that P2P Lending and Direct Lending is best considered as a longer term investment (6-12+ months), so whilst deployment is important, so too is getting your interest paid and all your money back.
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Post by fogey on Mar 4, 2017 21:12:00 GMT
Yes please . After getting my confirmation email of 100% deployment on Feb 28th, just a few days later, on March 3rd, I am already down to 93.6%, with no idea of when I might recover back to 100%. Of course this is yet another way that the 7% target is hit and it is frequently happening to everyone here.
I know from posts last autumn, when there was a severe drought of incoming loans, there were priority bands set within the algorithms so that people with the lowest deployment received priority over people at a higher level. In this way there was some process to make the distribution of incoming loans more equitable.
So do people who have managed to slowly claw their way up to 100% then receive any special consideration, or do they just quickly fall back into those bands discussed last autumn ?
When you initially set your preferences to "Automatically Reinvest " you don't really expect to have to wait a long time for this, especially if there are already loans available to fund it.
Apart from the unexpected early repayment of loans, it should be possible to predict the future level of demand for automatic reinvestment and therefore devise a way of handling it, so that reinvestment is performed with the minimum of delay. It must also have been possible to see the oncoming drought last autumn, when part of the problem was apparently due to already known seasonal variations in loan repayment schedules. With a limited number of staff, it is impossible to plan for every known future event of course. But if your business is expanding as quickly as reported elsewhere here, it is simply a matter of acquiring additional resources and putting them into the most productive areas.
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Post by sandbrain on Mar 6, 2017 13:11:51 GMT
I for one would be very happy if I were to get to 95% deployed within 7 days! As it is, I get to around 90% within a few days, then no more investments seem to be allocated until I make another deposit.
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Post by sb on Mar 6, 2017 14:03:05 GMT
I for one would be very happy if I were to get to 95% deployed within 7 days! As it is, I get to around 90% within a few days, then no more investments seem to be allocated until I make another deposit. You must be very lucky. I am below 1% after 6 days.
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Post by sandbrain on Mar 6, 2017 14:31:19 GMT
Or have a much smaller investment? I should have clarified that this is when I trickle in £500 at a time, which is a bit boring. But yes, it takes much longer with larger lumps.
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Post by sb on Mar 6, 2017 15:19:49 GMT
You must be very lucky. I am below 1% after 6 days. Or have a much smaller investment? My investment is not big. Only £60 of my first £1000 deposit has been invested on the first day. Since then no new loans.
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Post by stevefindlay on Mar 6, 2017 17:00:23 GMT
This is a re-post from another thread on our boards - I thought it may be of interest here too. "For a while I've wanted to create a couple of charts to illustrate the linkage between (1) Initial deployment (2) Ongoing deployment (3) Headline Rate and (4) Your return (IRR) over your first year with BondMason. Fortunately, this afternoon I've been able to find a few minutes to do this, so here are the charts... Chart One: This has "normal" rates of deployment - 28 days to get fully invested then 95-100% deployment for the rest of the year Chart Two: This has a slower rate of deployment - 40 days to get fully invested then 90-100% deployment for the rest of the year (and no, before you ask we are not looking to revise downward our deployment targets) As you can see, the initial deployment rate has a big impact on IRR during the first part of the year, but by the end of the year the difference is less pronounced. We may try and release this chart (or parts of it) in real time on your own dashboard. Let me know if that may be of interest and we can prioritise in the new feature list. I think it could provide a good level of additional insight / transparency."
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Post by stevefindlay on Mar 6, 2017 17:06:43 GMT
PS: and if we could get everyone fully deployed in 7 days....how good would this be....
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Post by sandbrain on Mar 6, 2017 19:37:34 GMT
Thanks stevefindlay for making the time to repost the charts. Would you mind sharing with us whether the slowish deployment issue: i) is due to lack of availability of quality loans, rather than technical reasons, ii) could be mitigated if you had more resources at your disposal? Sorry if you have covered this elsewhere. Thanks again.
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Post by teddy on Mar 6, 2017 23:02:55 GMT
Or have a much smaller investment? My investment is not big. Only £60 of my first £1000 deposit has been invested on the first day. Since then no new loans. Same as me. £1K deposited last Monday. 3 x£20 investments on 28th Feb. Nothing since then. Bondmason makes Teddy a very grumpy bear.
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Post by bobthebuilder on Mar 7, 2017 12:42:23 GMT
We may try and release this chart (or parts of it) in real time on your own dashboard. Let me know if that may be of interest and we can prioritise in the new feature list. I think it could provide a good level of additional insight / transparency." This would certainly be of interest if it were tailored to each account holder's investment history, although I'm not sure how it would work when there are multiple deposits, the later ones encouraged by a "you are 100% invested" message. Does the XIRR take account of the fact that a lot of loan allocations are in very short term loans, and on redemption the proceeds need to be reinvested?
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Post by fogey on Mar 7, 2017 15:23:49 GMT
PS: and if we could get everyone fully deployed in 7 days....how good would this be.... I think these charts are very useful, as they are trying to show how the product is expected to work and how (for the first two charts) it works best on a very long timescale of one year. The earlier two charts tend to show the time to reach an end goal of 7% is not very dependent on the initial deployment rate, but rather obscure the fact that your actual cash returns will be much less with the slower deployment rate, especially in the first few weeks. The last chart here is what most people would really love to see as the actual cash returns are very fast indeed. Instead of waiting the best part of a year to get 7% returns here they are already very close to 7% within one month. So this then really transforms the product from a long term to a short term one. I can perhaps see why it is difficult to quickly deploy a very large investment, even if the loans are there to fund it, but if it is just a few thousand pounds it seems to me that it should not be too difficult to do this now. Indeed a few lucky people have already achieved this and I am thinking this may be entirely due to the special accelerated deployment algorithm which was developed last year, but which is only used when the overall platform loan funding is close to 100%. I remember people enjoying full allocation within 7 days earlier last year but then finding great disappointment a few months later when they found it very difficult to deploy any new funds. This then led to the severe famine last autumn where everyone had to wait several months for things to get back to normal. So if the platform funding is maintained at around 100% it would seem that 7 day deployment is possible for everyone, perhaps with the exception of very large deposits. So do we really need to wait for several months for 7 day deployment when it seems the facility to do this already exists, as long as the platform funding allows it ?
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Post by fogey on Mar 7, 2017 16:03:13 GMT
The last chart here is what most people would really love to see as the actual cash returns are very fast indeed. Instead of waiting the best part of a year to get 7% returns here they are already very close to 7% within one month. So this then really transforms the product from a long term to a short term one. Need to be careful as to how these 'mock ups' are interpreted. There will need to be some significant changes to them - not least the way the axes are labelled. I think the words 'projected annual' or something like it would need to be added liberally Yes indeed, although these charts provide a very good insight as to how the product is expected to perform (and thereby improve the marketing potential !), the downside is that any lack of actual realisation of such performance will very soon lead to many more questions. But at the moment there is really no yardstick to see how well your investment is progressing over time. The inclusion of a personalised chart in all the personal summary dashboards would be far more meaningful than the information currently supplied, where the headline rate emblazoned at the top is rather meaningless to most people, especially when it appears to be offering more than they are currently really seeing from their actual cash returns. In general most people are not really interested in the reams of data provided in the allocation list or even their allocation rate. All that matters is how quickly their accumulated daily returns grow and they really want to see that on the summary page, rather than having to calculate it themselves.
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Post by stevefindlay on Mar 8, 2017 9:42:23 GMT
Thanks stevefindlay for making the time to repost the charts. Would you mind sharing with us whether the slowish deployment issue: i) is due to lack of availability of quality loans, rather than technical reasons, ii) could be mitigated if you had more resources at your disposal? Sorry if you have covered this elsewhere. Thanks again. Re (i) Slower deployment is due to a lower volume of approved loans relative to the increasing demand (actually we are seeing more loans from more platforms that we like, but this rate is growing slower than demand) Re (ii) Always! Is that an offer ;-) I don't know any company that wouldn't like more resources - but in truth our business appears to move in cycles, and we feel we are beginning to get ahead of the current cycle...
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Post by stevefindlay on Mar 8, 2017 10:22:28 GMT
We may try and release this chart (or parts of it) in real time on your own dashboard. Let me know if that may be of interest and we can prioritise in the new feature list. I think it could provide a good level of additional insight / transparency." This would certainly be of interest if it were tailored to each account holder's investment history, although I'm not sure how it would work when there are multiple deposits, the later ones encouraged by a "you are 100% invested" message. Does the XIRR take account of the fact that a lot of loan allocations are in very short term loans, and on redemption the proceeds need to be reinvested? We are looking to start with charting the deployment line (the green squiggly line on the example charts). This will need markers to indicate when subsequent funds are deployed as you note. The IRR calculations do take into account the ongoing deployment rate - hence why the squiggly line is squiggly, rather than sitting at 100% once fully investment.
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