Liz
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Post by Liz on Mar 22, 2017 18:34:16 GMT
Live tomorrow, this time with a limit of £100 per investor.
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Post by archie on Mar 22, 2017 18:39:10 GMT
My email says £500 limit.
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Post by runtley on Mar 23, 2017 5:00:23 GMT
I must confess to concerns over these two race car loans. This car hasn't been raced since 2012, and won't be raced while the loan is outstanding making the time it is not racing even longer and the likelihood of it ever being raced again even less which surely must impact on its value. In the four or five years since it was last raced, large parts have been 'rebuilt' but to what purpose? If it's not being raced, how much more work will be needed to make it capable of racing by a new buyer? Who is the natural buyer of this car in the event of a default? It is now being refinanced from another platform which has taken a strategic decision to no longer make loans on race cars. that other platform's listing cited the dealer which owns the car as the source of the valuation. Clearly they haven't been able to sell it. It's not a classic car, it's not a street car, and nobody has seen fit to race it for five years so where is the value? And it's a Kia Pro_cee'd. Maybe there will be a new class of Kia Pro_cee'd racing and these two cars can race each other - choose your favourite colour. Too many questions, too many negatives.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 9:13:41 GMT
Glad it's moving on from MT
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Post by grahamg on Mar 23, 2017 11:35:33 GMT
I must confess to concerns over these two race car loans. This car hasn't been raced since 2012, and won't be raced while the loan is outstanding making the time it is not racing even longer and the likelihood of it ever being raced again even less which surely must impact on its value. In the four or five years since it was last raced, large parts have been 'rebuilt' but to what purpose? If it's not being raced, how much more work will be needed to make it capable of racing by a new buyer? Who is the natural buyer of this car in the event of a default? It is now being refinanced from another platform which has taken a strategic decision to no longer make loans on race cars. that other platform's listing cited the dealer which owns the car as the source of the valuation. Clearly they haven't been able to sell it. It's not a classic car, it's not a street car, and nobody has seen fit to race it for five years so where is the value? And it's a Kia Pro_cee'd. Maybe there will be a new class of Kia Pro_cee'd racing and these two cars can race each other - choose your favourite colour. Too many questions, too many negatives. Exactly if MT think these cars can't be sold then its a very fim barge pole from me. It's a fair bet that at some point they will end up as in default or unredeemed at FS. So no more race cars for me!.
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Post by runtley on Mar 23, 2017 11:46:51 GMT
I also should point out, these loans are for slightly more than the MT loans so they are clearly rolling up the interest and then some - another concern.
It gets worse, the borrower is a new 'vehicle' - companies house shows first posted accounts made up to Feb 2016 with no trading - simply a short term loan which is held in a bank account, and negative shareholders' funds.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 23, 2017 12:20:32 GMT
Who is the natural buyer of this car in the event of a default? I asked the same question... and couldn't come up with an answer either, so I'm not going to take part. The setting of a bid limit has had the 'desired' effect. An hour after it was released, it's 61% funded. Which is good, as long as it does finish funding by this time tomorrow (i.e. after the restriction is lifted). I don't think that will be a problem since there are at least 20 bids of the maximum £500 and some of those investors are bound to be willing to take more if the loan still is available tomorrow. The worry (from FS's point of view) of putting a bid restriction in place is whether giving investors more time to think about the loan before investing means more people will ask the above unanswered question and decide to give the loan a miss. (Yes, investors can consider the merits of a loan before it goes live, but a factor in the investment decision is a loan's popularity. If it's disappearing rapidly, it's easy to decide to jump on the bandwagon. If it isn't filling, people will ask themselves why others aren't so enthusiastic and become more cautious themselves. So the speed of funding tends towards the extremes -- if it starts going quickly then people pile in and fill it in no time, if it starts slowly then people hold off and it takes a long time.) As long as it's fully funded in a reasonable time, FS should be happy. If it doesn't, they may wish they hadn't applied a restriction so that investors would invest first and think later -- and the loan would be funded in minutes.
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Post by mrclondon on Mar 23, 2017 13:32:38 GMT
I'll confess to snapping up several thousand pounds worth of the green car yesterday on FS, and have several more thousands available should there be anything left of the red car tomorrow morning.
Whilst the liquidity of the SM on a p2p platform is volatile and can not be guaranteed, the FS SM has since launch consistently traded relatively small non-property loans at par or just a very small discount even with just 1 month of the 6 month term remaining. My expectation is to sell these two loans after 4 months (before the first of the earlier related race car loans on FS reaches maturity) at par for a 13% tax-free return.
The FS SM is particularly boyant at present, I've sold over £10k of 4.5 month old property loans at discounts of -0.2% to -0.7% this week (so significantly under the tax liability I'm passing on).
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Post by Liz on Mar 23, 2017 19:30:47 GMT
I'll confess to snapping up several thousand pounds worth of the green car yesterday on FS, and have several more thousands available should there be anything left of the red car tomorrow morning. Whilst the liquidity of the SM on a p2p platform is volatile and can not be guaranteed, the FS SM has since launch consistently traded relatively small non-property loans at par or just a very small discount even with just 1 month of the 6 month term remaining. My expectation is to sell these two loans after 4 months (before the first of the earlier related race car loans on FS reaches maturity) at par for a 13% tax-free return. The FS SM is particularly boyant at present, I've sold over £10k of 4.5 month old property loans at discounts of -0.2% to -0.7% this week (so significantly under the tax liability I'm passing on). I'm selling at 4 months -1 day . Let's not go below -0.2%. I will try and sell at 1% premium after a few weeks first.
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Post by dzo on Mar 23, 2017 19:37:16 GMT
I recently sold a similar size 13 percenter for a 3% premium.
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Post by arby on Mar 27, 2019 15:03:11 GMT
With the imminent (and timely) renewal of the two race car loans (green and red), can fundingsecure confirm the situation regarding insurance? If insurance is in place, a car such as this would typically have an agreed insurance value which is also essential to know. If the car isn't being used, then stolen seems to be the primary cause for a total loss...
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Post by jonno on Mar 27, 2019 15:09:27 GMT
To be fair, I've done ok out of these race car loans. But even if I wasn't getting out of FS altogether I wouldn't be renewing these. How can "race cars" that haven't raced for some years still be classed as such, who would really want them? No, I'm definitely out.
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Post by arby on Mar 27, 2019 15:22:51 GMT
To be fair, I've done ok out of these race car loans. But even if I wasn't getting out of FS altogether I wouldn't be renewing these. How can "race cars" that haven't raced for some years still be classed as such, who would really want them? No, I'm definitely out. Clearly the borrower still wants them and that is the most important. Doesn't mean they have the ability to continuously pay interest though, at which point you have a valid concern. However, a 400hp race ready car always attracts a good price, but obviously there's no guarantees.
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Post by df on Mar 27, 2019 15:27:12 GMT
With the imminent (and timely) renewal of the two race car loans (green and red), can fundingsecure confirm the situation regarding insurance? If insurance is in place, a car such as this would typically have an agreed insurance value which is also essential to know. If the car isn't being used, then stolen seems to be the primary cause for a total loss... Looking at the pictures, it would be very difficult to steal. The trimmings are too low for a conventional road... It would be good to know more details. I just keep renewing both, green and red, the borrower keeps paying interest, which is lovely, but it's a gamble - I thought the same about Italian books, now the loan got stuck.
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Post by mrclondon on Mar 27, 2019 15:43:12 GMT
Have to say I'm not quite sure what to make of the bid limits on the red & green cars (£1000 each) vs yesterday's Porsche (£500) which is a much larger loan. I say this because when I listed the red & green cars at 4.5 months old six weeks or so ago they were snapped up at a 0.4% (IIRC) discount, and yet I was left holding a small amount of the porsche which didn't shift at 1% discount in the final couple of days of SM trading.
My impression is the SM in these cars remains as bouyant as when I made an earlier post in this thread two years ago, not withstanding I failed to clear the last few hundred of the £3000 I had in the Porsche last time round.
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