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Post by valueinvestor123 on Apr 10, 2017 10:45:51 GMT
One of the big benefits of putting money in a pension fund that is that they are generally excluded from your estate on death and are not liable to IHT (providing you were making contributions whilst you are in good health). Worth considering if you have capacity within your lifetime allowance and a lot cheaper and simpler solution to setting up trusts etc - worth bearing in mind. Really? Surely there must be a catch. Are you sure it's not annuities only? (where the capital is "lost" either way).
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Post by valueinvestor123 on Apr 10, 2017 10:49:52 GMT
he seems financially completely incapable ... I have made transfers to lend him the amount What could possibly go wrong ? The only thing I can think of is that he could die before paying back the amount. I suppose my correspondence with him should prove that I made a loan to him. There is no question about his ability to repay me within a month or two. After the inheritance comes through, it will add a mil to his estate.
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Post by valueinvestor123 on Apr 10, 2017 10:57:06 GMT
One of the big benefits of putting money in a pension fund that is that they are generally excluded from your estate on death and are not liable to IHT (providing you were making contributions whilst you are in good health). Worth considering if you have capacity within your lifetime allowance and a lot cheaper and simpler solution to setting up trusts etc - worth bearing in mind. Really? Surely there must be a catch. Are you sure it's not annuities only? (where the capital is "lost" either way). You appear to be right: www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/11514085/Use-your-pension-to-cut-your-inheritance-tax-bill-to-zero.htmlIs there a 7 year rule for this? This seems a crazy thing that his advisors must have overlooked!
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Post by valueinvestor123 on Apr 10, 2017 11:13:20 GMT
Ok, so I guess it is not as straightforward, since HMRC may be able to just do as they please: citywire.co.uk/money/using-pension-to-dodge-iht-could-land-you-tax-bill/a813400in cases where they view pension contributions as "a way to avoid IHT". Isn't that ridiculous that there is no clear guidance on this? Pretty much any steps we take can be viewed as trying to minimize the IHT bill. Why is this wrong, if it's done in a legal way? Why is investing in IHT exempt shares not a loophole but pension contributions could potentially be a loophole? Can't work out if it's the government who is sloppy or the reporting.
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Post by valueinvestor123 on Apr 10, 2017 11:19:58 GMT
PS: Also, I think his mother was over 75 in which case he would have been taxed more than the IHT tax! (at marginal income tax rate). The government will find a way to screw you it seems no matter what.
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Post by valueinvestor123 on Apr 10, 2017 14:08:57 GMT
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Post by valueinvestor123 on Apr 10, 2017 14:14:46 GMT
..... My friend doesn't have kids but he used Octopus Inheritance tax services to try and minimize his IHT bill (you invest in qualifying companies for a relatively crappy return, I think around 3%pa or so but the main benefit is that after 2 years, your IHT liability is then 0). Of course his mum didn't make it (with only a few months to go until 2 years would have been up). I managed the part of his investments that were below the IHT threshold and that made a 30% return, fortunately (not down to my skills, just markets have been good). So he now has a pretty big IHT bill, crappy return from octopus (who charge regardless whether the investments do what they were supposed to do), huge legal/advisor fees and frozen assets in his mum's account, with horrendous fees to borrow to pay IHT bill (not doing this now). You can't plan for everything...(though to be fair, he barely planned for anything but the octopus route was the only sensible option at the time). While this doesn't help your friend, I think this underlines why buying life assurance is often the easiest/most cost effective way to cover any potential IHT bill. Rather than try to avoid IHT using various investment products (which have fees typically of multiple percentage points), it's simply cleaner to simply accept the IHT bill and cover the liability with assurance. For someone like myself and my wife, aged in their early 40s, £2m of life assurance costs < £2k/annum (< 10bps of the payout, <2% over 20 years). You must write the life assurance in trust so the payout isn't subject to IHT itself. It also one reason why I set up a offshore life assurance bond. Since it's technically a life policy (though really it's an investment wrapper) it's also outside of the IHT net. Plus you have the ability to move units between family members at will. So it will cost around 80k over the lifetime to cover £2m? Doesn't seem that cheap. If the point is to transfer assets to heirs eventually, why not start transferring assets to keep them below the threshold? Or set up some sort of a trust/company vehicle? (The first option seems the most straight forward to me but I need to examine them all properly at some point). Any insurance product puts me off, especially with the word "bond" in it.
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Post by Balder on Apr 10, 2017 14:24:46 GMT
What are the penalties applied for paying late? Could be cheaper?
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Post by pom on Apr 10, 2017 18:00:56 GMT
What are the penalties applied for paying late? Could be cheaper? No cos you can't get probate until you pay what's due !
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Post by stub8535 on Apr 10, 2017 19:28:55 GMT
Watch out at the other end of the inheritance spectrum if you have privatisation shares. Costs to transfer or sell can be more than the value in some cases. Check the small print for the registrars then plan accordingly.
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Post by stub8535 on Apr 22, 2017 1:10:15 GMT
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