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Post by tomtom on Jun 11, 2017 19:51:53 GMT
Will someone please explain to me what happens to any interest earned on loans on sm?
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 11, 2017 20:02:02 GMT
Lendy keep it to waste spend on things like sponsorships
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Post by sqh on Jun 12, 2017 1:18:47 GMT
Will someone please explain to me what happens to any interest earned on loans on sm? In addition, Lendy keeps the interest on loan parts that are up for sale when a loan redeems. All those lenders who have left their loan parts for sale (for months) on DEF loans will lose the interest when the loan is settled.
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Post by Companion Cube on Jun 19, 2017 19:53:35 GMT
Will someone please explain to me what happens to any interest earned on loans on sm? In addition, Lendy keeps the interest on loan parts that are up for sale when a loan redeems. All those lenders who have left their loan parts for sale (for months) on DEF loans will lose the interest when the loan is settled. I predict that the SM will temporarily significantly reduce at the end of the month. People will claim back the interest for the month in exchange for going to the back of the queue. The people already at the back will have nothing to lose and find themselves much further up. It will be a game of how early they do it to get ahead of the pack. I have no loans for sale and don't feel particularly concerned at the moment, this is just a matter of not enough lender funds available across all platforms. I will be interested to observe the gaming as we approach month end. Finally, I would like to think that all the lost interest would at least partially be used shore-up the PF.
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Post by toffeeboy on Jun 20, 2017 16:52:52 GMT
I predict that the SM will temporarily significantly reduce at the end of the month. People will claim back the interest for the month in exchange for going to the back of the queue. The people already at the back will have nothing to lose and find themselves much further up. It will be a game of how early they do it to get ahead of the pack. I have no loans for sale and don't feel particularly concerned at the moment, this is just a matter of not enough lender funds available across all platforms. I will be interested to observe the gaming as we approach month end. Finally, I would like to think that all the lost interest would at least partially be used shore-up the PF. My impression is a lot of people are, after a good run, taking the view of just getting out even at the loss of a month or two of interest. The amount on the SM is unprecedented. I could be wrong... Of course the amount on the SM is unprecedented, it is a new growing company and industry. The amount on loan is unprecedented, the amount of new loans being made is unprecedented everything is unprecedented because Lendy it entering new territory for itself.
The same is happening at Money Thing which for the first time actually has a secondary market similar to the way that Lendy now has one rather than FFF.
The other sites I lend on are P2P sites so a lot smaller loans so aren't comparable, maybe someone else can comment on how the other similar sites stand. I can remember seeing similar comments about other sites previously so it isn't unprecedented in P2P or unexpected as when people reach their preferred risk level they will always want to reduce their exposure.
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Post by investor1925 on Jun 22, 2017 11:28:55 GMT
My impression is a lot of people are, after a good run, taking the view of just getting out even at the loss of a month or two of interest. The amount on the SM is unprecedented. I could be wrong... Of course the amount on the SM is unprecedented, it is a new growing company and industry. The amount on loan is unprecedented, the amount of new loans being made is unprecedented everything is unprecedented because Lendy it entering new territory for itself.
The same is happening at Money Thing which for the first time actually has a secondary market similar to the way that Lendy now has one rather than FFF.
The other sites I lend on are P2P sites so a lot smaller loans so aren't comparable, maybe someone else can comment on how the other similar sites stand. I can remember seeing similar comments about other sites previously so it isn't unprecedented in P2P or unexpected as when people reach their preferred risk level they will always want to reduce their exposure.
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Post by toffeeboy on Jun 22, 2017 14:19:42 GMT
What would you have happen to this interest? If loans for sale were to keep getting the interest then the SM would be a hell of a lot higher as there would be no downside to putting a loan up for sale. Other sites charge for selling loans but Lendy don't do this so I don't see the problem with them keeping the interest of people who are trying to game the system as believe me that is what most of the loans for sale are, lenders who didn't do DD but just want to hold a loan until a certain point then sell it or those following others DD and have missed the change in circumstances until it was too late.
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Post by littleoldlady on Jun 22, 2017 14:53:13 GMT
I would like to see the interest go into a secondary PF - one that L would not undertake to top up with any other money. However first we would need a lot more transparency on the existing (if it does exist) PF.
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Post by toffeeboy on Jun 22, 2017 15:54:46 GMT
I would like to see the interest go into a secondary PF - one that L would not undertake to top up with any other money. However first we would need a lot more transparency on the existing (if it does exist) PF. Personally I wish they would just get rid of the PF as it gives a false sense of security.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 22, 2017 16:31:31 GMT
I would like to see the interest go into a secondary PF - one that L would not undertake to top up with any other money. However first we would need a lot more transparency on the existing (if it does exist) PF. Personally I wish they would just get rid of the PF as it gives a false sense of security. "False"? I wonder how much would have been lost on the various paid-in-full-honest defaults without it? 20, 46, 75...
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Post by twoheads on Jun 22, 2017 17:00:40 GMT
Personally I wish they would just get rid of the PF as it gives a false sense of security. "False"? I wonder how much would have been lost on the various paid-in-full-honest defaults without it? 20, 46, 75... Normally I argue against the PF. However you make a valid point. Without the PF, it would be hard for Lendy to justify paying back (e.g.) PBL020 in full.
I guess the PF gives Lendy some license to pay back in full, or not - keeping everyone happy, or not. In short, it gives Lendy some sort of discretionary power. It makes good business sense to pay back smaller loans in full, even if they default with insufficient security - providing they have enough reserved in the PF. Without the PF, if Lendy paid out on a lossy loan then it would be a payment from their own cash fund (i.e. not 'reserved for such eventualities'), diminishing their profit and possibly knocking confidence in platform stability.
However: if the current batch of 19 defaulted loans all go through the protracted receivership route then the PF will be completely insufficient to cope with 'repaid in full' and investors must lose out.
I'm still hoping that in the six weeks before the next default appears, there will be some repayments - particularly in the default tab.
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Post by toffeeboy on Jun 22, 2017 17:02:52 GMT
Personally I wish they would just get rid of the PF as it gives a false sense of security. "False"? I wonder how much would have been lost on the various paid-in-full-honest defaults without it? 20, 46, 75... Nothing to stop Lendy still covering any losses, and they were required to on 20 as the loan was to them anyway, they just don't need to have a PF.
The PF suggests that they will continue to do so but we all know it is discretionary so they don't guarantee they will use the PF so what is the point of it. They might as well just say Lendy might cover your losses if they are small enough to make it worth our while to be able to carry on saying that no one has lost any money.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 22, 2017 17:10:16 GMT
"False"? I wonder how much would have been lost on the various paid-in-full-honest defaults without it? 20, 46, 75... Nothing to stop Lendy still covering any losses I think you just defined a discretionary protection fund...
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Post by martin44 on Jun 22, 2017 17:21:29 GMT
"False"? I wonder how much would have been lost on the various paid-in-full-honest defaults without it? 20, 46, 75... Nothing to stop Lendy still covering any losses, and they were required to on 20 as the loan was to them anyway, they just don't need to have a PF.
The PF suggests that they will continue to do so but we all know it is discretionary so they don't guarantee they will use the PF so what is the point of it. They might as well just say Lendy might cover your losses if they are small enough to make it worth our while to be able to carry on saying that no one has lost any money.
My bold... Quite right, they don't need a PF, but Lendy knows that having a PF gives us lenders a warm fuzzy feeling, we cannot lose, because the PF will always help us out when a loan goes ***'s up.
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Post by toffeeboy on Jun 22, 2017 17:32:48 GMT
Nothing to stop Lendy still covering any losses I think you just defined a discretionary protection fund... No the difference is that Lendy covering the losses wouldn't need a separate company that they transfer funds to, wouldn't even exist as far as anyone is concerned. Advertising a discretionary protection fund is different to just doing it to still be able to say that everyone has received the full amount interest expected and made no capital losses.
I just don't like them advertising the PF, happy for them to operate one to keep their advertising slogans I just think that they could confuse the unaware into thinking that their money is somehow protected.
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