mikeb
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Post by mikeb on Aug 6, 2017 19:44:34 GMT
Everyone is allowed to get lucky sometimes (the London Orbital Sewer was another one IIRC). Is this a euphemism cacophemism for the M25?
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Aug 6, 2017 22:06:19 GMT
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c88dnf
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Post by c88dnf on Aug 7, 2017 0:35:33 GMT
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registerme
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Post by registerme on Aug 7, 2017 7:20:41 GMT
Oh dear, that's rather disappointing .
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Post by adrian77 on Aug 7, 2017 7:58:07 GMT
I never knew that about Cross Rail - interesting.
I was just making the point that projects need to be managed properly and overseen which I am not convinced is the case with FC. I wonder if it is inside the realms of possibility that some of FC clients are trying to similarly trying to hide the true costs?
I guess still no news about Tewkesbury?
Can anybody give me the loan number for H******* Properties as this one interests me as it seems to have 10 charges with 5 different companies ranging from the very small to very large.
I thank you.
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Post by rogerthat on Aug 7, 2017 13:59:57 GMT
Do you mean the London Hotel fiasco..beginning with H and ending with w ?
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Post by adrian77 on Aug 7, 2017 18:13:38 GMT
no - not that one. This one seems to be in a posh part of London where chevaliers can cross over the Thames. This seemed to be part of a series of loans with another p2p lender having a "secure" first charge whilst FC seem to have a second charge. This one will doubtless surface sooner or later but is interesting as to whom owns the first charge on the family home is disputed viz this non FC company or the wife!!!! Well that is one for the lawyers especially if the husband sells his interest in the house to his wife. Funnily enough this London hotel company directors also seem to live in the asset- just can't wait to see what that one turns up!
If the husband goes bust and the wife has the main charge then I guess she has the right the repossess the asset otherwise known as home!
This is all very interesting to me as I deal in distressed properties - I am learning such a lot by all these crazy situations. Lawyers and accountants will have seen all this before unlike FC who seem to be learning at the expense of their investors.
I got my latest property at 30% below asking price (about average) but I read hotels are even more problematic to shift so good luck to those of you with this London hotel - personally I think you should take legal advice about a class action...
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Post by rogerthat on Aug 8, 2017 15:39:33 GMT
Erm...does the number 7 appear anywhere and a gaggle of sisters ?
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Post by c88dnf on Aug 11, 2017 17:13:24 GMT
It's now after 6pm on Aug 11th and no news of the (much) anticipated funds for the Cumbria loans. Plus FC change, plus c'est la meme merde.
04 Aug 2017
The borrower has advised that completion of the external refinance is due to occur imminently. We will update investors when completion occurs and funds are received, which we anticipate will be by next Friday.
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andyp
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Post by andyp on Aug 14, 2017 16:26:44 GMT
We have another jam tomorrow comment on the Cumbrian loans. I don't see partial repayment being mentioned in previous comments. This also happened with the Tekesbury loans, is it the new FC normal?
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Post by mikeyp on Aug 14, 2017 19:21:59 GMT
For some time property loans have said Please note all listed loans will rank pari passu (on equal footing) in terms of recourse and security. The loan tranches funded first will be repaid first from the sale of properties. Those funded later will be the last to be repaid (in chronological order). So it's not surprising that the earliest tranches will repay first. What's not clear is how FC would treat a case where some money is repaid but there is a risk that the final total might not cover all the loans. If there is a shortfall at the end, I can't see holders of the early tranches who have been repaid in full being willing to return some of that money. So it would seem sensible to repay only a conservative estimate of the total proportion to be recovered and then increase it as more money is received from the borrowers. Have there been any such cases of loans in tranches that were not property loans?
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andyp
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Post by andyp on Aug 14, 2017 20:24:32 GMT
Well somebody out there obviously still likes FC property loans and is splashing the cash tonight. I've sold over £7k this evening to the same buyer at some very tasty mark up's as you can see. A rate of 7.7% on a Cheshire 3 £2,041 B loan part seems to show someone in rather a rush to invest. I fear he might be disappointed with all that Cheshire stuff as the borrower recently paid off tranches 1 & 2 around 8 months early, presumably as they sold individual houses off.
As the saying goes bring out yer dead!
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Post by blender on Aug 14, 2017 20:28:18 GMT
I do not think there have been such cases in non-property loans (mikeyp). They are amortising, and so there is no question, before default, of which to pay, because the repayment is specific to the loan. And the loans are separate, not tranches of a greater single arrangement. After default the SME loans are treated pari passu, even though the earlier loan may have had a greater proportion repaid. Some SME borrowers, however, had assets secured against a second loan, and were not strictly pari passu - though I have no experience of any. With the 'interest only' property loans, it is at the point of default that it changes from tranches in order to tranches pari passu. And so there is no question of any lender being asked to repay the repayment. The problem for FC is that in such a circumstance they must justify why they did not detect the likely shortfall earlier and default the loan before full tranches were repaid. Let's hope this remains a theoretical problem.
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Post by blender on Aug 14, 2017 20:36:01 GMT
Well somebody out there obviously still likes FC property loans and is splashing the cash tonight. I've sold over £7k this evening to the same buyer at some very tasty mark up's as you can see. A rate of 7.7% on a £2k B loan part seems to show someone in rather a rush to invest. As the saying goes bring out yer dead! That's not fair andyp! I was pleased to sell a few parts of Drayton1 today at 0.3%, a week before it enters the twilight zone. 11% interest brought down to 8.1% buyer rate - but a C property. Now I am not pleased any more, and gloating makes it worse. Must be a bot run amok - run my way please!
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andyp
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Post by andyp on Aug 17, 2017 13:17:37 GMT
Another well supervised FC property loan.....
Property Development Princes Building Liverpool 7 (24360) — 82 days late, exposure £xxxx A+
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