merlin
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Post by merlin on Dec 13, 2013 12:33:36 GMT
Hey, Merlin.... "When I bought my first semi (three up and three down) in Croydon in 1981 I paid £2750 for it and earned £936 per year."
Should I read that as 1961? Or was I robbed in the 1970s, paying £9500 in the Midlands? (I got a mortgage of 2.75 x salary)
Yes it was 1961 - almost while God was still a boy! Thanks for pointing out my stupid finger trouble.
The 1960's were a time of rapid inflation and escalating house prices. I sold the house in 1969 for £7500, so I guess you were not robbed. It was also the time when the then Prime Minister Macmillan made the famous statement "you have never had it so good" and I must admit it felt like it! Incidentally a similar house in the same road sold for £313k in June. So by comparison with 1961 and all things being equal I would now need to be earning £106k! Sure makes you think.
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Post by pikestaff on Dec 15, 2013 1:38:12 GMT
The 1960's were a time of rapid inflation and escalating house prices. I sold the house in 1969 for £7500, so I guess you were not robbed. It was also the time when the then Prime Minister Macmillan made the famous statement "you have never had it so good" and I must admit it felt like it! Incidentally a similar house in the same road sold for £313k in June. So by comparison with 1961 and all things being equal I would now need to be earning £106k! Sure makes you think. The PM in 1969 was Harold Wilson; Macmillan's statement was in 1957. Nevertheless, there are two big changes since 1969: (1) interest rates are a lot lower, and (2) most women go out to work. This has been a big factor in bidding up house prices because having two earners means that you can afford to pay more. It is, of course, great that women who want to work can do so, and I would not want to tun the clock back. But it does have its consequences. These days, it is almost impossible to be a stay-at-home mother in the south-east unless either you are in rented housing or your husband is pulling in £80k plus. Of course, the same applies if Dad stays at home and Mum goes out to work. The point is, it's very difficult to have one parent at home, even if that's what they want. In the 60s and 70s it was not. So families work twice as hard to stay in the same place.
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merlin
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Post by merlin on Dec 15, 2013 7:45:28 GMT
Hi Pikestaff
There is confusion here over dates. My original post was about my house purchase in 1961. I was then pointing out in reply to a previous post about house prices later in the 1960's.
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Post by merlin on Jan 9, 2014 17:49:30 GMT
Just been e-mailed with a questionnaire regarding investing in FC Property loans together with an offer of advanced information on the first offering. Looks like they are serious but how good will be their "guarantees" on these types of loans?
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Post by mead187 on Jan 9, 2014 18:50:23 GMT
Just been e-mailed with a questionnaire regarding investing in FC Property loans together with an offer of advanced information on the first offering. Looks like they are serious but how good will be their "guarantees" on these types of loans? I completed the survey and was rather unflattering. Safe to say I wont be investing in their property loans no more than I would in any of the others. I'm reaching a critical point of no return with them.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 9, 2014 19:09:25 GMT
I completed the survey and am happy to judge any loan offering on it's merits,
Needless to say they won't be getting any of my money without a big improvement in the security being offered (bricks and mortar rather than fancy words)
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Post by aloanatlast on Jan 11, 2014 6:47:33 GMT
Well nobody ever went wrong relying on bricks and mortar.
I'd be more worried about borrowers ring-fencing all their other assets, so if the property deal goes sour they can drop the key in the mail and walk away unscathed.
Of course there are property companies on FC already. But this venture seems to be headed for the least attractive ends of the property business.
Not that this will result in sky-high interest rates. These will be price-sensitive borrowers - maybe not initially, when needing cash in a hurry, but they'll keep an eye on the market and be quick to refinance when they sniff a better deal.
But why the survey?
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Post by batchoy on Jan 11, 2014 7:21:22 GMT
Well nobody ever went wrong relying on bricks and mortar. Not necessarily true, specifically not true for a group of ex-colleagues when face with the issue of either staying in their homes and loosing their jobs (our employer was relocating) or facing huge losses on the sale of their homes due to negative equity following a crash in the housing market in order to relocate.
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Post by pikestaff on Jan 11, 2014 8:26:54 GMT
Possibly to ensure there is a bunch of lenders primed and ready for when they launch?
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Post by merlin on Jan 11, 2014 10:46:55 GMT
I guess the survey is intended to give them a feel for the potential market and to some extent to find out what the punters want. My guess is that the whole thing has to some extent resulted from what Assetz have achieved. In one year they have gone from start up to profit or so MD, Andrew Holgate has recently claimed. I am not sure where FC sits in regard to profit but I would not be surprised to find that they haven't yet reached breakeven. If that is the case I guess they would like to get a bit of Assetz action or maybe even attempt to push Assetz out of the market altogether. After all Assetz has been a pain in the a*se to FC what with the creation of this site by Andrew and the superior trading model!
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Post by mrclondon on Jan 11, 2014 12:03:47 GMT
Well nobody ever went wrong relying on bricks and mortar. Not sure many of the banks would agree. As an example take the recent AC loan for a 2005 business park office building. Lloyds / HBoS had lent close to £5m against the building valued at £6.6m in 2005. Wind forward to autumn last year, and they agreed to accept just £2m (i.e. a loss of close to £3m) in a refinancing deal predicated on the building only being worth c. £2.4m now. P2P/P2B lending is by its very nature high risk, and as this example shows over longer loan terms there is a significant chance that the debt will be higher than the security by the end of the loan term.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 11, 2014 15:38:29 GMT
Well nobody ever went wrong relying on bricks and mortar. Not sure many of the banks would agree. As an example take the recent AC loan for a 2005 business park office building. Lloyds / HBoS had lent close to £5m against the building valued at £6.6m in 2005. Wind forward to autumn last year, and they agreed to accept just £2m (i.e. a loss of close to £3m) in a refinancing deal predicated on the building only being worth c. £2.4m now. P2P/P2B lending is by its very nature high risk, and as this example shows over longer loan terms there is a significant chance that the debt will be higher than the security by the end of the loan term. I appreciate that bricks and mortar aren't guaranteed to hold their value, but I would take them over most other forms of security. I have a small amount in FC and at the moment their site can be a bit like trying to run in treacle. However, I wouldn't condemn the entire platform because the IT department are incompetent. I would like to invest more in AC but I can't, given the dearth of opportunities and the fact that half of what is on offer is fully subscribed before I realise it is there.
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Post by pikestaff on Jan 11, 2014 16:26:48 GMT
I have a small amount in FC and at the moment their site can be a bit like trying to run in treacle. However, I wouldn't condemn the entire platform because the IT department are incompetent. Would that be TC?!
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Post by agent69 on Jan 11, 2014 19:49:01 GMT
I have a small amount in FC and at the moment their site can be a bit like trying to run in treacle. However, I wouldn't condemn the entire platform because the IT department are incompetent. Would that be TC?! FC, TC, AC, it all gets a bit confusing (it was TC). Think I'll go for that lie down again.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jan 11, 2014 20:02:23 GMT
"Think I'll go for that lie down again."
Why, what happened before? Did you forget where you were going or what you were going for?
Now, .... what was I going to munch for pudding?
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