09dolphin
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Post by 09dolphin on Jul 15, 2017 10:43:29 GMT
In view of the Whitehaven debacle I find it difficult to believe the updates FS issue relating to significantly outstanding loans and it has persuaded me to advise friends who have invested in the loans made available on FS that they should exercise extreme caution and review their investments. Such a shame as I was really happy investing - but when you review the Whitehaven loan what other conclusion can you come to? How many other loans are in a similar position?
My FS default stance now requires evidence of assertions which FS choose not to provide.
Such a shame as we all know that the loans on this site are predominantly high risk and we choose to take the risk. My problem is that high risk loans shouldn't be made even higher risk by the dubious practices of FS.
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Post by r1200gs on Jul 15, 2017 12:32:44 GMT
In view of the Whitehaven debacle I find it difficult to believe the updates FS issue relating to significantly outstanding loans and it has persuaded me to advise friends who have invested in the loans made available on FS that they should exercise extreme caution and review their investments. Such a shame as I was really happy investing - but when you review the Whitehaven loan what other conclusion can you come to? How many other loans are in a similar position?
My FS default stance now requires evidence of assertions which FS choose not to provide.
Such a shame as we all know that the loans on this site are predominantly high risk and we choose to take the risk. My problem is that high risk loans shouldn't be made even higher risk by the dubious practices of FS. You're right, we know that this is high risk investing and that there will be losses that will reduce the overall return. But we should be able to trust the platform. I might have been able to continue with FS had the they reacted appropriately when informed that all was not well at Whitehaven, but to send out yet more reassuring updates while still not checking what the borrower was telling them was unforgivable. So, when they have a loan red flagged by lenders and they still don't check the borrower is telling the truth, you have to ask yourself what else borrowers are getting away with because nobody is checking up. I still have some 20k of "not available for sale" loans with FS and I fear some of these are going to go bad at least partly because FS are not doing their job of due diligence before lending and monitoring DFL loans. I too cannot recommend this platform to anybody at present.
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rs
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Post by rs on Jul 15, 2017 12:38:19 GMT
I also will not be recommending this website and will try to leave some reviews on FS on other review sites.
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Post by james21 on Jul 15, 2017 13:27:30 GMT
FS is my favourite platform, I invest little and often, typically in 70 or more loans, never had a problem. Would recommend
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Post by codliveroil on Jul 15, 2017 14:47:25 GMT
One bad debt isn't enough for me to lose trust in a platform.
We all say that P2P is risky, then complain when things go wrong. You can't have your cake and eat it.
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Post by daveb4 on Jul 15, 2017 15:04:49 GMT
I too am happy here. I have reduced nearly all my propery loans from 70% to 60% and 65% for what it is debateably really worth, but I think risk reward is about right. Yes lots of changes are needed but at present maintaining my balances (if I got some more repayments on outstanding loans it would help confidence ). Surely some pretty pictures from developers would help confidence to us all, something in facility/ agreement letters?
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Post by ding on Jul 15, 2017 15:05:57 GMT
I've changed my approach to the platform - I really hope they can win trust back, it wouldn't take much - but they need to approach defaults in a more professional manner and not 'hope for the best'.
1. I transferred a partial cash ISA to FS, now this is fully invested I'm not adding more cash. 2. Avoiding anything with a 1st charge elsewhere. 3. Not investing in multi-tranch loans. Though I may invest in the first if it's a refurb.
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Post by ozboy on Jul 15, 2017 15:33:55 GMT
I too am happy here. I have reduced nearly all my propery loans from 70% to 60% and 65% for what it is debateably really worth, but I think risk reward is about right. Yes lots of changes are needed but at present maintaining my balances (if I got some more repayments on outstanding loans it would help confidence ). Surely some pretty pictures from developers would help confidence to us all, something in facility/ agreement letters? Are those LTVs your own "In-House Calculated" ones daveb4? Or the exceptionally accurate ones provided by The Borrower/The Platform/The Beyond Reproach Honest John RICS "Specialist"?? And yes, recent photographs would go a loooooooooooong way.
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ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Jul 15, 2017 15:39:17 GMT
One bad debt isn't enough for me to lose trust in a platform. We all say that P2P is risky, then complain when things go wrong. You can't have your cake and eat it. What's your Definition of a "Bad Debt" though codliveroil?!!!!
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Post by codliveroil on Jul 15, 2017 16:23:36 GMT
One bad debt isn't enough for me to lose trust in a platform. We all say that P2P is risky, then complain when things go wrong. You can't have your cake and eat it. What's your Definition of a "Bad Debt" though codliveroil?!!!! When we sign up we agree that we may lose some or all of our capital. People seem to put all the focus on the yield when investing and not think about the negatives that could occur. I personally don't invest more than £50 per loan, it can take a long time to invest a large amount of money but it gives me more peace of mind. When I look at the recent investments and see people invest £10k plus I ask myself, do they really understand the risks or do they just see the 12% a year return? I would advise everyone reading this to read The Forth Cure from Seven Cures for a Lean Purse.
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n
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Post by n on Jul 15, 2017 16:39:33 GMT
What's your Definition of a "Bad Debt" though codliveroil?!!!! When we sign up we agree that we may lose some or all of our capital. People seem to put all the focus on the yield when investing and not think about the negatives that could occur. I personally don't invest more than £50 per loan, it can take a long time to invest a large amount of money but it gives me more peace of mind. When I look at the recent investments and see people invest £10k plus I ask myself, do they really understand the risks or do they just see the 12% a year return? I would advise everyone reading this to read The Forth Cure from Seven Cures for a Lean Purse. £50 would be x% of the amount you have decided to put at risk. For someone else £10K might be x% or less of the amout they have decided to put at risk.
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ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Jul 15, 2017 16:39:40 GMT
"When I look at the recent investments and see people invest £10k plus I ask myself, do they really understand the risks or do they just see the 12% a year return?"
You know as well as me and everyone else does that £10K+++ to a BH is chickenfeed, and I'd wager they completely understand the Risks, they certainly see the 12% + Bonuses that's for sure. "One Bad Debt isn't enough" - But it's not just one is it, that's why I asked you for your definition. Mine is, regardless of what the Platform says, that if the Borrower hasn't paid zilch for 6 months or more, then it's a Bad Debt. Errrrrr, and there's a few of them. Try 12 months even. ......................... actually, PS: You didn't answer my Question: "What's your definition of a Bad Debt?"
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Post by martin44 on Jul 15, 2017 16:41:39 GMT
One bad debt isn't enough for me to lose trust in a platform. We all say that P2P is risky, then complain when things go wrong. You can't have your cake and eat it. Only one, that would be nice.... take a look at knaresborough, scotty boatyard, domain names to mention a few, i'm nearly out, but needless to say these 3 defaults are holding up my progress.
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ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Jul 15, 2017 17:02:39 GMT
One bad debt isn't enough for me to lose trust in a platform. We all say that P2P is risky, then complain when things go wrong. You can't have your cake and eat it. Only one, that would be nice.... take a look at knaresborough, scotty boatyard, domain names to mention a few, i'm nearly out, but needless to say these 3 defaults are holding up my progress. I'd mention ................................................................ RISHTON !!! So that's, errrr, at least FOUR now, FIVE if you care to count Trainy Things, SIX if ............................... And before I get the usual pontificating postings about High Risk/High Rewards, You don't get 13% for nothing, Blah Blah - The point I believe we are on about here is the way that these Late Payers/Bad Debts/Defaults/ Naughty Boys (Girls?) are not only arguably being (mis)handled, but certainly the complete absence of any meaningful Updates on Vot ist happening?!!!!
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Post by codliveroil on Jul 15, 2017 17:15:49 GMT
... You didn't answer my Question: "What's your definition of a Bad Debt?" When the borrower can't or won't pay back the money they borrowed plus interest. I certainly won't lose any sleep, P2P makes up less than 10% of my portfolio and may go even lower in the future. As long as I make above inflation returns I will be happy.
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