elliotn
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Post by elliotn on Aug 12, 2017 9:53:08 GMT
I'm Not Paying Lendy.
For those that used it as a means of free interest for a few days without buying their loan parts.
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treeman
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Post by treeman on Aug 12, 2017 9:57:24 GMT
I think whatever is in the queues come 1st September should be exempt from being pushed to the back of the queue, anything else would be frowned upon should someone decide to make a complaint. I know I wouldn't be happy and would most definitely take legal advice on principle. I also believe that any loans which are in default and un-tradeable as a result should automatically be taken off the SM, again this is taking liberties, and praying on those who are more of a passive investor and don't realise how the system works. Absolutely agree with you and @leopardcat . I posted a month ago here and last week here on the same subject. And me. The default loans scenario doesn't directly affect me at present, but it seems thoroughly unreasonable that anyone holding these (unsellable) loans may not get their fair & full return if a positive outcome is achieved. All sales parts should be automatically de-listed as default status is achieved (email notification) and accrue fully till the bitter end. Tagging Paul64 Lendy Support savingstream in case this has gone unnoticed.
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Post by martin44 on Aug 12, 2017 10:05:05 GMT
Perhaps it should be illegal or at least against regulatory rules for a platform to withhold interest for loans listed for sale. The investor still holds that loan and the investor still holds all the risk, so is due all the interest by right. How has any platform the right to 'steal' it? But then I don't even know what ''INPL''means, be grateful if someone could enlighten me to what that is and how it justifies interest retention. I too have pondered this as well, i wonder if the with-holding of interest is against FCA rules?
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GeorgeT
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Post by GeorgeT on Aug 12, 2017 10:30:57 GMT
Will it not make things more straightforward and avoid confusion because the amount on the secondary market will always be the length of the sale queue at that time.
There was a recent DFL at 12% that I was avoiding because it was always on the SM with about 200 k available and I thought that's a bad loan that I won't be able to get shot of and then I discovered that in fact that was all held by LY because they hadn't been able to fully fill it and in fact the sale queue was zero so I was in there straight away to benefit from a couple of weeks of 12% on some spare cash and would have been sooner if I had known that earlier.
On LY you don't know the length of the sale queue unless you are an existing investor. This change will solve that problem, will it not.
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fp
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Post by fp on Aug 12, 2017 10:41:11 GMT
What are you smoking?
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TonyL
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Post by TonyL on Aug 12, 2017 10:49:46 GMT
If it were to be judged as against FCA rules it would surely be replaced by some other penalty mechanism, otherwise the SM queues would become even longer...at least for the undesirable loans. In line with one of my previous posts, the current mechanism is just a poor way, albeit a simplified way, of managing the market. If the loan is desirable the cost to you is minimal as there is no queue. If the setup were a more normal marketplace where price helps balance supply and demand then your penalty in selling an undesirable loan would be offering a lower selling price. Without the ability to set price your penalty is loss of earnings instead. Arguably that's fair, after all it's only a penalty when there is no demand for what you're selling.
Secondly, I think Lendy would easily justify that the secondary market is a service that they offer which you are rightly paying for...out of withheld interest. If they were to offer a more normal trading market place with a bid/offer spread you would be paying for the service through the spread. The alternative to paying for the service could be to not have the service at all and we all carry the loan parts to full term...and that would make a lot of us very uncomfortable.
Where Lendy are going to have to make some important clarifications, as per this thread, is justification of them jumping the queue and trapping us into prolonged periods of loss of interest as that is arguably and patently unfair.
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kaya
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Post by kaya on Aug 12, 2017 11:31:34 GMT
Secondly, I think Lendy would easily justify that the secondary market is a service that they offer which you are rightly paying for...out of withheld interest. That is perhaps a fair point, and a regular selling fee is perhaps the correct way to go about it. There are a couple of posts above that refer to a 0.25% fee - what is that about?
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agent69
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Post by agent69 on Aug 12, 2017 11:35:15 GMT
What is next....registration fees? withdrawal fees unless you give 6 weeks' notice? Pay for our own AML checks? Only 3 free log ins per month? With forethought like this I'm amazed you haven't started your own platform.
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bfish
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Post by bfish on Aug 12, 2017 12:17:07 GMT
Guess it's time to exit what we can . . . before 31st !
Is it possible LY now employ too many ex-bankers !?
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stub8535
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Post by stub8535 on Aug 12, 2017 12:21:52 GMT
With forethought like this I'm amazed you haven't started your own platform. I am for sale..........for the right price! Ten bob @leopardcat?
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merlin
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Post by merlin on Aug 12, 2017 13:45:38 GMT
Guess it's time to exit what we can . . . before 31st ! Is it possible LY now employ too many ex-bankers !? Should that "b" be a "w", bfish.
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TonyL
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Post by TonyL on Aug 12, 2017 14:22:37 GMT
It is a few days until my 1 year anniversary on the platform and I would not have invested a year's income on the platform if it had been under the coming system. In the end it comes down to that decision for each of us. For example, I don't do FC any more because I disliked the direction their model took. I'll stick with Lendy if they prove capable in managing the inevitable defaults. Losing pennies on 'for sale' items becomes irrelevant if you have the confidence to hold for the full term when the back office team have a proven track record on recoveries (this was also FC's downfall in my book). To give Lendy some credit, they haven't let us down yet...but they've allowed a substantial default list to build up. It may be early days yet (for the platform), but let's see how they do.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Aug 12, 2017 14:41:59 GMT
Secondly, I think Lendy would easily justify that the secondary market is a service that they offer which you are rightly paying for...out of withheld interest. That is perhaps a fair point, and a regular selling fee is perhaps the correct way to go about it. There are a couple of posts above that refer to a 0.25% fee - what is that about? 0.25% of SM sales is what FC charge .. other platforms have 0.5% or maybe even more. This aligns platform's desires with the punters' .. they only get their 0.25% when a sale actually happens (and the punter gets their exit route) .. if nothing sells (i.e. SM is 'broken') they collect no fee. As other have pointed out, ABL, MT etc have no fee SM sales, and seem to scrape by. Other platforms think it's a liquidity mechanism for the benefit of customers .. which I think is what Ly once told us too. Now it's a profit source for Ly .. the slower it moves the more money they make .. especially as their algorithm is bust and they are double deducting 'on sale time' from some parts .. maybe they'll double deduct it (the same days on sale) all again next month - unless you check you'll never know. Unless you tell them they'll never know. FCA approval? .. *chuckle*
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Post by 7d7 on Aug 12, 2017 14:47:14 GMT
The strange thing is adhering to FCA regulations does not necessarily trigger the new processes we have seen so far. They are merely moving the goalposts for other reasons. While many other platforms abide by FCA rules, they operate differently. For example, tranches are listed as separate loans on both PM and SM. You could still maintain your position in the SM queue and exit Tranche 1 of a specific loan even if Tranche 4 or 5 does not fill. In other words, one does not need to wonder about how many more tranches lay ahead when evaluating a loan.
Well, no use crying over spilt milk. It is decision making time.
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bfish
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Post by bfish on Aug 12, 2017 22:49:56 GMT
Guess it's time to exit what we can . . . before 31st ! Is it possible LY now employ too many ex-bankers !? Should that "b" be a "w", bfish. Think you, and perhaps 'leopardcat'(?), are suggesting something too derogatory - I was attempting subtlety
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