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Post by elephantrosie on Sept 4, 2017 18:49:08 GMT
Yeah, not filling very fast is it?(!) ...I can see this one being bumped up to 14% in the next day or so. It's fair to say that there's far more appetite for "bling" than for property on COL col just have to bump down bling interest to 8% and appetite for this will be enormous.
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Post by ali on Sept 4, 2017 18:49:20 GMT
Yeah, not filling very fast is it?(!) ...I can see this one being bumped up to 14% in the next day or so. It's fair to say that there's far more appetite for "bling" than for property on COL I would imagine (hope) that most people are still doing their DD on it. I certainly am. There's no advantage in rushing into this kind of loan.
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Post by p2pmark on Sept 4, 2017 18:55:53 GMT
I'm not a fan of the loans with cashback. BL00046 shows what can happen to the SM for such loans, making it less liquid.
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Post by elephantrosie on Sept 4, 2017 18:59:19 GMT
I'm not a fan of the loans with cashback. BL00046 shows what can happen to the SM for such loans, making it less liquid. i agree BL46 is a good loan, sadly made illiquid.
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Post by GeorgeT on Sept 4, 2017 21:15:40 GMT
I like the fact COL state the LTV ratio based on the site value and not the Gross Devt. Value.
One comment - I note that the VR (and COL website) states the property comprises 2.2 acres of development land. The planning decision notice states the site is 2.29 hectares (which is 5.6 acres approx.). Quite a difference. Which is it???
However the bottom line here is that the site has planning permission for the erection of 42 dwellings (no 'affordable' housing required).
I'm always sceptical of explanations as to why a site has been acquired at such a low figure compared with the stated Market Value (especially when I consider it quite likely that residential land values will fall back in the next few years).
However this is a proper site with planning for resi devt. and with 6 months interest and cashback retained, I'm already into all 4 tranches.
I'm ignoring the GDV - a brick may never be laid - I'm looking only at the site value as existing, the security we have in place. The loan is £845,000 (65% of the valuation of the site) split into 4 smaller tranches, and even if the valuation of £1.3m is strong, there's still a bit of leeway.
Anyone know what the going rate for resi devt land with planning is in this area, per acre or ha?
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Post by ozboy on Sept 4, 2017 21:17:49 GMT
No, he is on a mission when it comes to valuations - any platform, any time the same repeated post will appear. Now we have the obligatory ozboy comment we can get on with the assessment of the proposal And who among you will join me on my valiant and heroic quest?!
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Post by ben on Sept 4, 2017 21:21:58 GMT
I'm not a fan of the loans with cashback. BL00046 shows what can happen to the SM for such loans, making it less liquid. i agree BL46 is a good loan, sadly made illiquid. shame they dont only get the bonus if they hold it for full term.
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Post by GeorgeT on Sept 4, 2017 21:26:01 GMT
i agree BL46 is a good loan, sadly made illiquid. shame they dont only get the bonus if they hold it for full term. Don't worry, I doubt many of the flippers will be able to sell in time to cop the cashback, when they are trying to sell 12% and no cashback.
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Post by stub8535 on Sept 4, 2017 21:41:37 GMT
Yeah, not filling very fast is it?(!) ...I can see this one being bumped up to 14% in the next day or so. It's fair to say that there's far more appetite for "bling" than for property on COL col just have to bump down bling interest to 8% and appetite for this will be enormous. Careful what you wish for!
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Post by dan1 on Sept 4, 2017 21:53:28 GMT
Anyone know what the going rate for resi devt land with planning is in this area, per acre or ha? This post by mrclondon may help
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Post by GeorgeT on Sept 4, 2017 22:39:17 GMT
Collateral Rep I wonder if you can double check the site size with the valuer? * I note that the VR (and COL website) states the property comprises 2.2 acres of development land. The planning decision notice I found for the site and same 42 home development states the site is 2.29 hectares (which is 5.6 acres approx.). Quite a difference. I would have thought that fitting 42 houses on a 2.2 acre site would be a bit of a tight squeeze and wondered if the valuer has got his acres and hectares mixed up, and you have, through no fault of your own, transferred that error onto the loan particulars? Probably not, but the thought entered my mind. I'm trying to work out what the site valuation equates to in terms of £ per hectare, because land values derived from residual valuations are very sensitive to small changes in the variables used and I prefer to look at it in terms of £ per hectare. I've already invested a bit in all 4 tranches but have further funds standing by if I can be more satisfied on the valuation aspect. To put it another way, if this is a 2.2 acre site as stated, the valuation of £1.3m equates to close to 600k per acre or £1.5m per hectare which seems a bit high for this part of the country, but then I'm not familiar with the area. EDIT - Forget this COL. The question has been answered.
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Post by copacetic on Sept 4, 2017 22:42:20 GMT
For reference www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/BB6/George-Avenue.htmlRound the corner a 3 bed semi sold for £135k March last year. The VR has the residual value of the site based on sales prices of £165-170k per 3 bed semi. This is 22% higher, which coincidentally is the same as the percentage gross profit listed in the development appraisal.
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 4, 2017 23:52:42 GMT
Collateral Rep Please can you confirm the site size? * I note that the VR (and COL website) states the property comprises 2.2 acres of development land. The planning decision notice I found for the site and same 42 home development states the site is 2.29 hectares (which is 5.6 acres approx.). Quite a difference. I would have thought that fitting 42 houses on a 2.2 acre site would be a tight squeeze and wonder if the valuer has got his acres and hectares mixed up, and you have, through no fault of your own, transferred that error onto the loan particulars? I'm trying to work out what the site valuation equates to in terms of £ per hectare, because land values derived from residual valuations are very sensitive to small changes in the variables used and I prefer to look at it in terms of £ per hectare. I've already invested a bit in all 4 tranches but have further funds standing by if I can be more satisfied on the valuation aspect. To put it another way, if this is a 2.2 acre site as stated, the valuation of £1.3m equates to close to 600k per acre or £1.5m per hectare which seems high for this part of the country. THe VR/Col is correct according to the auction listing. The site is 2.26 acres or .92hectares. Looking at Google maps and the site plan its a 100m x 100m square when you use the lumps to fill the cut outs. Edit. There is an error in the planning officer's report as it says 42 homes on 2.29ha giving a density of 45 homes per hectare which is clearly only true if the area is less than a hectare. The application seeks permission for the erection of 42no, 3 and 4 bedroomed homes on a site of 2.29ha, which gives an average density of 45 homes per hectare.
The houses themselves occupy less than 50% of the area.
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Post by GeorgeT on Sept 5, 2017 0:01:17 GMT
ilmoroThanks, I've edited my post asking the question of COL.
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Post by elephantrosie on Sept 5, 2017 1:43:25 GMT
col just have to bump down bling interest to 8% and appetite for this will be enormous. Careful what you wish for! hey stub nah, im okay with it as i feel better to have the bling spread among investors.
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