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Post by ruralres66 on Nov 9, 2017 8:08:56 GMT
Needs some help here;
Do RS deal with low rates in 1 year by accommodating within Rolling first?
Does this mean there is more than the amount displayed by RS "available" in Rolling "Full Market" chart to be matched?
If so, the amounts displayed in the Rolling full market are not reflective of the true market surely?
Borrowers 1 Year Rate Lenders >>3.9% £497.1k 3.5% £47 3.3% £39
Borrowers Rolling Rate Lenders 4.6% £1.6m 4.5% £635.6k 4.4% £163,045 4.3% £1,854,915 4.2% £3,728
Do RS deal with low rates in 1 year by accommodating within Rolling?
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Post by r00lish67 on Nov 9, 2017 9:53:34 GMT
To be honest, I'd put all thoughts of how you'd expect these 'markets' to operate aside. There are no real borrower offers, it's just RS playing it as they see fit.
I'm not really sure how you mean they should 'deal with' 1 year rates? Ratesetter actively prefer rates to be lower to investors, providing they're being taken up, as that increases their return. The fact that we see lower rates in 1 year than rolling and sometimes lower in 5-year than rolling, as well as phenomena liked 'crossed rates' is all because of the point in my second sentence.
I'm not sure if that helps, I think I may have missed your point. What are you trying to do/understand?
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Post by pikestaff on Nov 9, 2017 10:11:18 GMT
I don't think RS need to "deal with low rates". Borrowers want the lowest rates they can get, and RS will maximise their profits if they can maximise the spread between what borrowers are willing to pay and what lenders demand. You don't see the spread, because it is deducted from the borrower rates displayed. The lower those rates, the happier RS will be - if they can get a match. The rolling market is entirely artificial, being used to fund loans of between 6 months and 5 years. The one year market is somewhat more genuine, being used to fund loans of up to one year www.ratesetter.com/invest/everyday-account. However, for loans of 6-12 months, RS could fund on either the one year market or the rolling market. I'm sure they will have an algorithm to make that decision for them, with the aim of maximising their profit subject to liquidity constraints. Just at the moment, those 6-12 month loans are probably being placed on the 1 year market but this won't always be the case. As to why lenders are willing to lend at lower rates on 1 year than rolling, some of it will be autolenders who don't check their settings very often if at all. Beyond that I've no idea. [Edit: Crossed with previous post.]
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Post by oldgrumpy on Nov 9, 2017 10:14:40 GMT
To be honest, I'd put all thoughts of how you'd expect these 'markets' to operate aside. There are no real borrower offers, it's just RS playing it as they see fit. I'm not really sure how you mean they should 'deal with' 1 year rates? Ratesetter actively prefer rates to be lower to investors, providing they're being taken up, as that increases their return. The fact that we see lower rates in 1 year than rolling and sometimes lower in 5-year than rolling, as well as phenomena liked 'crossed rates' is all because of the point in my second sentence. I'm not sure if that helps, I think I may have missed your point. What are you trying to do/understand? Correct. It's all an act. I for one do not believe that currently there are zero people wanting to borrow on the five year market. Borrowers don't make offers. RS tells them what rate they will pay. Then RS decides what RS wants to pay lenders. Occasionally RS makes more offers (in total cash) to borrowers than lenders are prepared to lend at the rate RS wants to borrow for, and RS has to pay a higher rate. Just play their game if you have the time or inclination. At this moment RS is offering to borrow at 4.3% on the rolling market. I have opted for 4.6%. Two days ago I grabbed 5.4% on the one year. ed.(cross posted with pikestaff)
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Post by oppsididitagain on Nov 9, 2017 10:18:02 GMT
I think RS upload the borrowers in the rolling market around midnight where as all the other markets aren't loaded until later in the day -(I maybe wrong) which is why we see what we see. I believe the lenders set the rates on the lending markets. So I guess - Someone has probably set their reinvestment at (in this example) 3.3% , so as soon as their money is available to lend its goes onto the market at the set rate. There is an option on RS to have it at 'market rate' so all the users who have this 'ticked' the RS computer will build the reinvestment market at the current levels. In this case around 3.5% in the 1 year - Hence lowering the rates. Obviously the reverse is applicable. Personally I have my reinvestment set at 4.5% - However, when my money goes to market, if I get time, I try to look at the supply/demand on the day and move it accordingly. The last few weeks I'm getting closer to a 5% match in the rolling and 5.5 % in the 1 year
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Post by oldgrumpy on Nov 9, 2017 11:07:44 GMT
Looking at the one year figures now, it appears that 5.5%+ will be matched on one year this afternoon.
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Post by star dust on Nov 9, 2017 11:55:12 GMT
£17k of 6.0% left in one year if you're very very quick. Not quite midday oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Nov 9, 2017 12:00:53 GMT
£17k of 6.0% left in one year if you're very very quick. Not quite midday oldgrumpy Yes, I've transferred my £700 from the rolling to one year, but at 5.9% (nervous disposition) (ed. Yep! Suddenly another £13K appears at 5.9% behind me ) ed. Mmmmmm! Notwithstanding that gonk at 4.4%, I might have missed the boat - 5.7/5.8% being offered. Monitoring to see if any more borrower offers/RS offers appear. ed. 14:58 Looks like 6% might be on again; RS have "found" another £330K of borrower. ed. 15:34 GOTIT!! (but not the 6.4% it went to still watching), I'll come in with another £1K if it goes well over 6%.
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Post by caveman38 on Nov 9, 2017 15:45:23 GMT
Can someone explain how to get "Rolling" money transferred to "Holding Account" to take advantage of those good 1 year rates - without surrender penalties. I too got 6% but with new money although I had "Rolling" money.
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Post by puddleduck on Nov 9, 2017 16:26:42 GMT
Can someone explain how to get "Rolling" money transferred to "Holding Account" to take advantage of those good 1 year rates - without surrender penalties. I too got 6% but with new money although I had "Rolling" money. You need to go to Payments->Money Out then choose Release Your Investment to sell your Rolling. I don't think the money from your sell-out is available immediately however to re-invest.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Nov 9, 2017 18:13:23 GMT
IIRC there is at least a 24 hour lock-in on rolling contracts (before you can sell them out) and sell-out was not exactly instant .. you can of course cancel any offers that are sitting around unmatched. Personally I think 'reach for the debit card' is probably more sensible, and extract the required funds later (but when chasing these rate spikes you always have to remember the borrower may 'repay' or 'cancel' pretty much the next day .. on any/all products).
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Post by jonah on Nov 9, 2017 19:44:57 GMT
Can someone explain how to get "Rolling" money transferred to "Holding Account" to take advantage of those good 1 year rates - without surrender penalties. I too got 6% but with new money although I had "Rolling" money. You need to go to Payments->Money Out then choose Release Your Investment to sell your Rolling. I don't think the money from your sell-out is available immediately however to re-invest. If you do this, do you get interest for the days the cash was lent or just the capital back?
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Post by oldgrumpy on Nov 9, 2017 20:35:52 GMT
You get your interest.
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