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Post by gaspilot on Aug 2, 2014 8:38:26 GMT
Hi
Can anybody offer some advice. I'm trying to understand the calculations on the dashboard but I'm failing. I am able to understand most of it by using a fudge factor - that doesn't sit well with me. More specifically, I can't see where the figure for the Micro Loans Gains/Losses come from. I would have thought that the calculation below would be correct: (Credited amount +Interest Earnings + Promotional Credits - Fees - Bad Debts - Micro Loan Losses) = (Available Funds + Bids + Investments) However mine doesn't at all.
Any advice would be welcome. I have emailed RBS three times and received no answer.
Thanks
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Post by shimself on Aug 2, 2014 8:47:40 GMT
Hi Can anybody offer some advice. I'm trying to understand the calculations on the dashboard but I'm failing. I am able to understand most of it by using a fudge factor - that doesn't sit well with me. More specifically, I can't see where the figure for the Micro Loans Gains/Losses come from. I would have thought that the calculation below would be correct: (Credited amount +Interest Earnings + Promotional Credits - Fees - Bad Debts - Micro Loan Losses) = (Available Funds + Bids + Investments) However mine doesn't at all. Any advice would be welcome. I have emailed RBS three times and received no answer. Thanks or in the same vein computed net return (negative) interest - microloans loss - bad debt +promotion credis - fees gives a total net profit of £NNN which is not -N.nn% or more exciting yet 18+49=93, the account balance is baloney see image
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Post by badger on Aug 2, 2014 23:13:54 GMT
I can't see where the figure for the Micro Loans Gains/Losses come from. I would have thought that the calculation below would be correct: (Credited amount +Interest Earnings + Promotional Credits - Fees - Bad Debts - Micro Loan Losses) = (Available Funds + Bids + Investments) I find it tallies to within a few pence. I've asked where this discrepancy comes from but like you got no answer. However as long as it's only a few pence I assume it's an accumulation of rounding errors and nothing to worry about.
Micro Gains/Loss comes from purchases on the secondary market. Gain (positive number) means you bought at a discount, Loss (negative number) means you paid a premium.
So in your calculation it should be a plus not a minus. ie. (Total funds added +Interest Earnings + Promotional Credits - Fees - Bad Debts + Micro Loan Gain/Loss) = (Available Funds + Bids + Investments)
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Post by gaspilot on Aug 3, 2014 15:09:22 GMT
Hi
The issue of whether it is a plus or minus really depends on whether you have gains or losses. In my case losses hence the negative sign I used. Although I understand you're implication of adding a negative. The issue is really that the figures are way off. No correlation whatsoever with the micro loan gains and losses figures.
Cheers
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Post by badger on Aug 4, 2014 16:58:55 GMT
I think it's impossible to accurately double check the 'micro loans Gain/Loss' figure. When you make a purchase, your statement only shows what you actually paid and doesn't separate out the premium/discount. On your dashboard you can find the 'capital outstanding' figure but that is rounded to the nearest pound.
If you take the current 'capital outstanding' and add in any capital repayments you've received, then subtract that figure from what your statement says you paid, then you will get an idea of how much gain/loss you made on each purchase, plus or minus a pound.
I would say if your calculation as you stated above ('adding' the negative) is out by more than a few pence, then I agree there is a problem that ReBS needs to investigate.
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Post by gaspilot on Aug 5, 2014 17:44:11 GMT
Hi
The difference between both sides of the equation is £33.58 using today's figures. I've tried emailing RBS for an explanation but to no avail sadly.
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Post by gaspilot on Aug 12, 2014 17:00:49 GMT
An update on the situation.
I contacted RBS and they have looked into my dashboard figures. There was a bug affecting certain transactions that has since been fixed. Unfortunately this has lead to my dashboard being calculated incorrectly. They are in the process of correcting it through the web development team.
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Post by shimself on Aug 14, 2014 0:31:50 GMT
or more exciting yet 18+49=93, the account balance is baloney see image Actually I think I can see the error. it obviously should be 18.47+49.44=67.91 (not 93.01) it's out by 25.10 and look, the withdrawal was 25.09. This is not good, you can see why I was selling up and getting out
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Post by gaspilot on Aug 20, 2014 13:15:51 GMT
All sorted now. Some of you may find your accounts have changed too (if you suffered from the same issue I had).
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Post by shimself on Aug 21, 2014 12:50:01 GMT
All sorted now. Some of you may find your accounts have changed too (if you suffered from the same issue I had). Any comment from RBS please?
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Post by danraj on Oct 23, 2014 20:53:27 GMT
We'll be adding some tooltips that help towards explaining some of the dashboard calculations. We are also planning (for early 2015) to add a timeframe filter that will allow investors to see their information for: - All time
- Current tax year
- Last rolling 12 months
The Net Returns is tricky to benchmark to an annual basis, which has led to some confusion. It also currently fails to compensate adequately for unemployed capital, though every platform has this challenge as I understand it. As for the balance movement & transaction integrity. We reconcile user accounts and periodically audit their transaction history. On occasions we may find erroneous transactions (such as a promotional credit that was not entitled). There is a process for rectifying such errors in a way that restores a users transaction integrity. If any user observes anything unusual in their statement then I would invite them to open a support ticket with us for review ahead of our periodic audits.
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Post by shimself on Oct 24, 2014 10:38:23 GMT
or more exciting yet 18+49=93, the account balance is baloney see image Actually I think I can see the error. it obviously should be 18.47+49.44=67.91 (not 93.01) it's out by 25.10 and look, the withdrawal was 25.09. This is not good, you can see why I was selling up and getting out Is this now fixed, meaning it will never happen again? (What's happening here is that in the light of your providing the new TC platform you will be under very heavy scrutiny from some very embittered yet knowledgable investors, so be warned and be reactive)
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Post by shimself on Oct 24, 2014 17:59:48 GMT
... As for the balance movement & transaction integrity. We reconcile user accounts and periodically audit their transaction history. On occasions we may find erroneous transactions (such as a promotional credit that was not entitled). There is a process for rectifying such errors in a way that restores a users transaction integrity. If any user observes anything unusual in their statement then I would invite them to open a support ticket with us for review ahead of our periodic audits. That's not the cause of the dashboard error above and it's happened to me at least three times (and yes support have been told, and in fact I asked support to report to the programming team)
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Post by solicitorious on Jun 22, 2015 16:25:24 GMT
Still trying to get to grips with this.
What in the simple calculation for my current holding, including accrued interest?
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