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Post by aju on Oct 5, 2018 16:51:06 GMT
i'm using Zopa quite a bit these days again - its last months reconciliation and data suck processes time. It seems to me that over the last ew weeks Zopa has become very sluggish again. It reminds me of those bygone days of modems and watching picture loading in lines etc. Ok so its not quite as bad as that but the dashboard seems to be going really slow and getting from screen to screen and screen loading seems a tad cumbersome these days. I can't blame it on the  connections as all the major banks and other sites seem to be loading as expected. I wonder has Zopa pinned all its hopes on so called new servers etc without really understanding the underlying issues of performance analysis, and coding optimisation etc. How did we get on when we had to fit quarts into pint pots and fiddle about in bits, bytes, nibbles and so on. |
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Post by benaj on Oct 5, 2018 21:11:48 GMT
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Post by zlb on Oct 6, 2018 8:16:14 GMT
i'm using Zopa quite a bit these days again - its last months reconciliation and data suck processes time. It seems to me that over the last ew weeks Zopa has become very sluggish again. It reminds me of those bygone days of modems and watching picture loading in lines etc. Ok so its not quite as bad as that but the dashboard seems to be going really slow and getting from screen to screen and screen loading seems a tad cumbersome these days. I can't blame it on the connections as all the major banks and other sites seem to be loading as expected. I wonder has Zopa pinned all its hopes on so called new servers etc without really understanding the underlying issues of performance analysis, and coding optimisation etc. How did we get on when we had to fit quarts into pint pots and fiddle about in bits, bytes, nibbles and so on. you could be right. I have similar bafflement over it being slow...the new interface hasn't been anything but.
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Post by aju on Oct 6, 2018 11:25:20 GMT
On Mrs Aju's Tab2 i notice that each page is taking quite a long time to fully load even if the screen data is available so I wonder if its background tasks that are slowing things. Also I find i am more and more clicking for next screen more than once due to the sluggish way it seems like nothing is happening this must surely also be adding to snail mode.
I did some digging around a while back in chrome's inspect mode and there does some to be an inordinate amount of script being loaded with each page, this surely must be causing a drag on potentially slow servers. A conversation I had a month or two back, when the new front end was starting to appear, Zopa people were saying their shiny new platform was going to alleviate this stuff. Looks like the shiny new platform is not that shiny after all.
I'm sure things have changed since i did this stuff for living but in days of old we used to use frames rather than keep reloading the stuff that does not reaally change from screen to screen. I'm guessing that its not a way that works with todays technology. At the time is was always good to get people congratulating us on the speed of our screens compared to others, It was more important then when we had much slower system connections to the users.
Oh well i guess its progress.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Oct 7, 2018 9:28:25 GMT
Today's developers seem to assume everyone is on a gigbit line, they don't seem to understand the concept of caching (or if they do, they ignore it). Last time I investigate one site, hitting 'F5' (when nothing had changed) invoked several MB of download. Makes it easier/faster for them to change/fix screwed-up webpage code, but no fun for the end user (especially those on pay-per-byte contracts).
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Post by reinvestor on Oct 9, 2018 14:40:53 GMT
There is a very popular platform that is used by the majority of the finance houses in the UK. I work for a Hire Purchase company and last week it was running slow for all users.
On Friday it ground to a halt completely. I suspect Zopa use the same platform.
It should be working much faster this week if so as we are back up to normal speed.
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Post by aju on Oct 9, 2018 14:58:10 GMT
There is a very popular platform that is used by the majority of the finance houses in the UK. I work for a Hire Purchase company and last week it was running slow for all users.
On Friday it ground to a halt completely. I suspect Zopa use the same platform.
It should be working much faster this week if so as we are back up to normal speed.
Sorry, but last 2 days it seems to be even slower some screens taking nearly 30 secs to load earlier today. When Lloyds and other banks seems to load in less than a second for me at the moment seems that Zopa is losing the battle. The dashboard is particularly slow I guess as it has to drag info from 2 sides for me that is. Its slightly better at around 10-15 secs at the moment though.
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Post by Stonk on Oct 10, 2018 9:43:39 GMT
Modern programming languages make programming so easy that even a monkey can write software. The trouble is, when average programmers write software, those programming languages permit them to get away with all manner of lazy inefficient techniques and still produce a result which looks acceptable to the person signing it off.
For a long while, inefficient programming has been offset by increases in hardware performance. But I think we have reached a point where hardware improvements no longer keep pace with programmer inefficiency. You used to be able to solve a problem (at least until you changed job) by chucking a new server at it, but now that no longer kicks the can far enough down the road.
A good coder is worth 10 average ones. A bad coder is worth less than nothing. I wouldn't employ a programmer who had never hand-coded in assembler!
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Post by benaj on Oct 10, 2018 16:35:06 GMT
Modern programming languages make programming so easy that even a monkey can write software. The trouble is, when average programmers write software, those programming languages permit them to get away with all manner of lazy inefficient techniques and still produce a result which looks acceptable to the person signing it off.
For a long while, inefficient programming has been offset by increases in hardware performance. But I think we have reached a point where hardware improvements no longer keep pace with programmer inefficiency. You used to be able to solve a problem (at least until you changed job) by chucking a new server at it, but now that no longer kicks the can far enough down the road.
A good coder is worth 10 average ones. A bad coder is worth less than nothing. I wouldn't employ a programmer who had never hand-coded in assembler! Zopa is recruting. Lots of jobs available, but none required Assembly atm. To be honest, Windows 10 is more annoying than Zopa.
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Post by aju on Oct 11, 2018 7:33:44 GMT
Modern programming languages make programming so easy that even a monkey can write software. The trouble is, when average programmers write software, those programming languages permit them to get away with all manner of lazy inefficient techniques and still produce a result which looks acceptable to the person signing it off.
For a long while, inefficient programming has been offset by increases in hardware performance. But I think we have reached a point where hardware improvements no longer keep pace with programmer inefficiency. You used to be able to solve a problem (at least until you changed job) by chucking a new server at it, but now that no longer kicks the can far enough down the road.
A good coder is worth 10 average ones. A bad coder is worth less than nothing. I wouldn't employ a programmer who had never hand-coded in assembler! I wonder how much of the speed drag is down to the optimizely code and all the other ancillary stuff like google calls etc in every page. I also find a lot of clicks i make dont seem like they register and i wonder how much abandoned clicks are due to overridden clicks. Zopa is not alone in this as i think this is a result of new button coding methods. In my day it used to be that button click was more accurately definable, least thats how i remember it. Servers must be busier whilst the overridden code is abandoned. Whilst I understand the use of optimisation tools it seems to me that zopa should be doing this offline not on a live platform people are trying to use. Optimization should be designed in not an after thought. Sadly optimised code never seems fo be part of agile development, the hardware is expected to pick up this omission with obvious results.
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Post by newlender on Oct 11, 2018 13:34:19 GMT
Modern programming languages make programming so easy that even a monkey can write software. The trouble is, when average programmers write software, those programming languages permit them to get away with all manner of lazy inefficient techniques and still produce a result which looks acceptable to the person signing it off.
For a long while, inefficient programming has been offset by increases in hardware performance. But I think we have reached a point where hardware improvements no longer keep pace with programmer inefficiency. You used to be able to solve a problem (at least until you changed job) by chucking a new server at it, but now that no longer kicks the can far enough down the road.
A good coder is worth 10 average ones. A bad coder is worth less than nothing. I wouldn't employ a programmer who had never hand-coded in assembler! Zopa is recruting. Lots of jobs available, but none required Assembly atm. To be honest, Windows 10 is more annoying than Zopa. Why don't you like W10?
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Post by benaj on Oct 12, 2018 12:19:50 GMT
Zopa is recruting. Lots of jobs available, but none required Assembly atm. To be honest, Windows 10 is more annoying than Zopa. Why don't you like W10? Unlike Zopa, Microsoft has no incentive to make Windows 10 as the best OS in the world as a free product, like by spending lots of resources to improve things, like improve battery life and prolong the life of the PC without CPU hogging and excessive disk reading/writing. I suppose this is one of the area they don't really care because MS wants more new PC sales (or devices use Windows 10 OS) in the future and not anything less. One of the annoying thing about Windows is the cumulative update structure. Update process is usually slow no matter how tiny the update is. Well, Windows 10 does offer more than other OS, like Windows 10 Hello, Touchscreen and more legacy support.
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connections as all the major banks and other sites seem to be loading as expected. I wonder has Zopa pinned all its hopes on so called new servers etc without really understanding the underlying issues of performance analysis, and coding optimisation etc. How did we get on when we had to fit quarts into pint pots and fiddle about in bits, bytes, nibbles and so on.
