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Post by mukiwa on Oct 16, 2018 20:30:55 GMT
My reinvestment rate is currently set at 4.5%. But when I check the actual rate lent out on contract today it's around 3.8/3.9%.
Doesnt seem right. Anyone any ideas?
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Post by TheDriver on Oct 16, 2018 21:49:35 GMT
My reinvestment rate is currently set at 4.5%. But when I check the actual rate lent out on contract today it's around 3.8/3.9%. Doesnt seem right. Anyone any ideas? Different settings on Everyday and IFISA?
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Post by oppsididitagain on Oct 16, 2018 23:31:29 GMT
My reinvestment rate is currently set at 4.5%. But when I check the actual rate lent out on contract today it's around 3.8/3.9%. Doesnt seem right. Anyone any ideas? Different settings on Everyday and IFISA? Not sure if you are describing the below as I thought I had the same problem. Its very misleading and after a lengthy call to RS and some fiery conversations with the support team I came to this conclusion. Historically rolling loans used to get fully repaid @ 1month (All the funds were yours to do what you like with) Now however the rolling loans use the same % for the life of the loan, and the monthly repayment+interest will be put to holding/market at the rate of your choice. RS are still using the old format/coding for rolling loans, lets say you lend £1000 at 3.9 for 30 months. Each month when you are due a payment on this loan, RS will pretend the loan is fully repaid and then send a new order to market at the original %, this action will send you an E mail to say a new loan of XXX has been formed at 3.9%. But this isn't actually true in the real world. (the loan doesn't fully get repaid and then re lent to the same borrower) You can check this on your transactions, it shows as if the loan has been fully repaid and then the remaining amount has been re lent. The re lend causes the Email to be sent. When in fact this is not true and very misleading. The new loan is given a completely new loan ID as well. If you look at your future cashflows this is also very misleading as it shows you that the loan will be fully repaid + interest, and you don't know what the monthly outstanding amount will be. When you drill into the repayment schedule you will notice rolling loans only have 1 payment. Rolling should be re programmed as per the 5yr loans, and you should only see the monthly repayment+interest in both the transactions and future cashflows I hope this makes sense and could be the cause of the confusion.
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Post by victors on Oct 17, 2018 7:54:45 GMT
I noticed the same thing.
Thanks for the explanation - I phoned but couldn't understand what they were talking about. Not sure they did either.
Really is a shambles though.
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Post by oppsididitagain on Oct 17, 2018 8:47:00 GMT
I noticed the same thing. Thanks for the explanation - I phoned but couldn't understand what they were talking about. Not sure they did either. Really is a shambles though. I have spoken to them on 3 occasions about this issue (and other issues) and I basically told them they were lying and their supervisor/Trainer is incorrectly telling you whats happening and you are misleading the public. After about 30mins on the phone, I managed to get one of the customer service people to understand that the loans aren't fully repaid each month and a new amount re lent. (in the real world) I asked him: what's the difference between the rolling and the 5 year, he then he reverted back too the usual line 'now we use the same rate for the life of the loan' I said so how does the 5year work ? I think then the penny dropped :-) They all also tried to tell me that the capital and interest that has been repaid on rolling loans has to be reinvested every month otherwise if I withdrew it I would be penalised for 14 days? - Again a lie. (This explains why holding is not an option in the reinvestment function for rolling) I said this money isn't matched so surely im free to do what I like with it, you can't penalise me for unmatched money - Again he confirmed I would be, and the reason is to stop people manipulating the market ? I said so in rolling I have to reinvest and 5 yr I don't - YES (this is not true) RS need to retrain their staff as the information they are telling us is very misleading, I believe one of the reasons is because of the way their system is coded, sending E mails with a new loan ID's and doesn't show you a repayment schedule on rolling loans. IMO the Rolling works exactly like the 5 year, the main differences are. Rolling you have NO idea on the term of the loan pre matching and you are able to withdraw the money with no penalty. (market conditions apply etc etc)
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Post by mukiwa on Oct 17, 2018 13:50:16 GMT
Thanks for the explanation, makes sense, but also misleading isn't it.
So if I sell out and wait the 14 days, then if a rolling rate is 4.7% and all my cash is lent at that rate, then the rate drops to 3% over the next few months my money will still be lent at 4.7% apart from what I need to do myself?
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Post by oppsididitagain on Oct 17, 2018 15:12:12 GMT
Thanks for the explanation, makes sense, but also misleading isn't it. So if I sell out and wait the 14 days, then if a rolling rate is 4.7% and all my cash is lent at that rate, then the rate drops to 3% over the next few months my money will still be lent at 4.7% apart from what I need to do myself? Yes, its very very misleading the way that RS explain it . The confusion starts when RS tells you the money is repaid and re lent at the same rate in the rolling giving you the impression thats means forever or until you remove the money, (14 days lock out) but when they say you are contracted to the same borrower for the length of the loan. This makes you think the amount isn't fully repaid and then re lent. (which is how all their computers are programmed).IMO rolling works just the same as the 5yr - I believe - It would be nice if RS can confirm and just explain it to us like this. I did exactly what you are suggesting as my money was matched at 2.4-2.7% I cancelled it all , invested a lot in 1yr and 5 yr and now getting between 4.2-4.8% in rolling. Your analogy above is correct. If you sell out of everything wait the 14 days, when you reinvest will get the rate the day you invest for the length of the loan, (just like you would in the 5yr) they are standard amortising loans, but you will not know the length of those loans until you look at your loan book after they have been matched. We are told they won't be 5 years, however I have some money match upto 48months! Every month you will receive a repayment (you won't know what this is though unless you have all your loans set up on an excel spreadsheet) and depending on your instructions that cash can only be reinvested at either market rate or one of your own but you can't send it to holding. So another issue you will find - depending on how much you invest : Once your money is matched and you find out the repayment dates, note the minimum re-investment is £10. As rolling doesn't let you send the money to holding, these funds can't be added to funds being repaid from other markets which are sent to holding.You could get a situation where you have such small amounts repaid every other day and it takes you almost 2 weeks to accrue £10 to reinvest. Personally I like to get all my money paid to rolling at a very high rate, I then cancel those orders so the Money all goes to holding and then manually place 1 order to the market to avoid me having lots of small loans in the future. (I hope that makes sense) Something so simple now seems so confusing.. Good luck
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Post by lara on Oct 17, 2018 15:41:52 GMT
Personally I like to get all my money paid to rolling at a very high rate, I then cancel those orders so the Money all goes to holding and then manually place 1 order to the market to avoid me having lots of small loans in the future. (I hope that makes sense) Something so simple now seems so confusing.. Good luck Can you still do that? I thought the most recent changes meant that you got slapped with the ban for returning money to holding even if it handn't been lent yet.
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Post by rscal on Oct 17, 2018 16:17:25 GMT
Personally I like to get all my money paid to rolling at a very high rate, I then cancel those orders so the Money all goes to holding and then manually place 1 order to the market to avoid me having lots of small loans in the future. (I hope that makes sense) Something so simple now seems so confusing.. Good luck Can you still do that? I thought the most recent changes meant that you got slapped with the ban for returning money to holding even if it handn't been lent yet. There is no penalty for that. But if you've cancelled any rolling loans the the previous fortnight while you can cancel an automatic revinestment instruction (at either market or your set rate) you can't amend the rate itself [and of course can't place any any orders] Sorry, misread your Q. I did read something but would assume they simply 'hide' the order from view or somesuch to prevent that. Certainly in your Transaction History it says some like 'Locked' before the 're-matched' money is 'lent'.
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Post by oppsididitagain on Oct 17, 2018 18:09:44 GMT
Can you still do that? I thought the most recent changes meant that you got slapped with the ban for returning money to holding even if it handn't been lent yet. There is no penalty for that. But if you've cancelled any rolling loans the the previous fortnight while you can cancel an automatic revinestment instruction (at either market or your set rate) you can't amend the rate itself [and of course can't place any any orders] Sorry, misread your Q. I did read something but would assume they simply 'hide' the order from view or somesuch to prevent that. Certainly in your Transaction History it says some like 'Locked' before the 're-matched' money is 'lent'.
Well this is what RS will tell you on the phone. I did question with RS to confirm that my repaid money in rolling - which is now unmatched - if I removed it I would get the ban and they said yes !! I can't believe RS would be allowed by the FCA to do this, thats means you are tied into the rolling FOREVER. So anyone who has ever put an order in the market would be penalised at some stage? that doesn't seem correct. Matched money I understand you will be penalised but not unmatched money. You could argue by forcing the repaid money back into the market its rate manipulation, due to RS having an 'at best/market rate' system. New money will be added at the best rate or below, the auto order would be cancelled and the new money still on the market, hence driving rates lower. The other way is we all have our repaid money sent to market at E.G 8% it doesn't match so we with draw it and we also get penalised??That is not a natural order driven market which I believe RS is suppose to be.
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Post by lara on Oct 17, 2018 18:17:59 GMT
And it's just plain annoying not being able to consolidate tiny amounts of money into one decent sized loan.
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Post by propman on Oct 17, 2018 21:06:10 GMT
I put "my rate" unrealistically high and it was relent at a lower rate. Is tyhis how it should work in rolling?
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Post by oppsididitagain on Oct 17, 2018 22:34:55 GMT
I put "my rate" unrealistically high and it was relent at a lower rate. Is tyhis how it should work in rolling? Are you sure this has happened ? check your transactions tab, see if all of your money was re lent , or was there a small amount left over ? This should be the interest and the monthly capital repayment Money technically isn't re lent, as its not being fully repaid, its always on loan to the same borrow - just like the 5YR. In this market you get a monthly capital repayment + interest. Yet in the rolling RS tell you they repay all of the money and then set a new loan up at the original rate minus the monthly repayment + interest and then send you an E mail to say you have a new loan., giving you the impression you have re lent the money. Read all of the conversation above to help explain the possible confusion OR maybe you have a different issue and you will need to call RS
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Post by benaj on Apr 25, 2019 16:58:10 GMT
My reinvestment rate is currently set at 4.5%. But when I check the actual rate lent out on contract today it's around 3.8/3.9%. Doesnt seem right. Anyone any ideas? www.ratesetter.com/blog/simplifying-the-rolling-market"So, from 6 June 2018, when your investment is matched to a borrower it will remain matched to that borrower, at the same rate of interest, until that loan is repaid." Only new money or interest can be lent out on your own set rate.
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