Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Oct 30, 2018 0:24:19 GMT
The answer is No !
They know for a year the cost of travel and can budget accordingly. Rises in fares rarely above 3% PA
The poor motorists have had a 12% rise in fuel costs in the last 4 months alone.
Queues and delays equally as long. Road closures and parking costs add to the stress.
Insurance costs rising and Councils using them as cash cows with cameras and clampers costing the motorists a fortune for minor infractions of supermarket parking rules.
So let’s have a bit more publicity for the majority who never see a train unless it is flying past their now closed rural station.
Dont get me started on the Highlands and Islands and all other sparsely populated areas.
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Post by benaj on Oct 30, 2018 8:45:04 GMT
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Post by toffeeboy on Oct 30, 2018 12:17:47 GMT
That is peak today so of course you are going to get charged for the travel, look at one in two weeks and you can get the same trip for £20.50.
Who buys tickets on the day of travel except people who will recharge their clients and people traveling because of an emergency.
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Post by markr on Nov 6, 2018 10:29:22 GMT
The "poor motorist" is a myth; the cost of motoring has been falling in real terms since the 1990s (source: RAC foundation), while costs of all forms of public transport has risen significantly (same source).
The average car driver is about 1.6 times wealthier than the median, and the average train passenger is over 2 times wealthier (source: memory I'm afraid I'm struggling to find a citation). The only form of motorised transport where the average user is poorer than the median is the bus, so if the government really wanted to help the less well off get around, it would increase support for local bus services, but of course it is doing the exact opposite.
The time when it can be assumed that everyone can own a car and drive it wherever and whenever they like are coming to an end. More enlightened countries and cities are already planning and developing for that future - I believe Oslo and Madrid are among the latest of a growing list of cities introducing some form of restrictions on motoring. The UK government, as always, is burying it's head in the sand for fear of offending the sensibilities of the "poor motorist" or annoying their chums in the roadbuilding companies who might stop their "donations" to the party.
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Post by locutus on Nov 6, 2018 11:01:57 GMT
The time when it can be assumed that everyone can own a car and drive it wherever and whenever they like are coming to an end. Really? Don't you say yourself that the cost of motoring has been falling in real terms which if true will make it more rather than less accessible. I think your clear ideological dislike of cars is influencing your perception of the real world. Your own stats state that car ownership is increasing for all parts of Britain apart from a few inner city London boroughs like Tower Hamlets and Hackney.
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Post by cb25 on Nov 6, 2018 12:54:03 GMT
More enlightened countries and cities are already planning and developing for that future - I believe Oslo and Madrid are among the latest of a growing list of cities introducing some form of restrictions on motoring.
'Enlightened' would seem to be that people get to travel only to those destinations the state wants/allows them to. Not for me, thanks.
If/when autonomous cars get here (I believe it will come, but not as soon as some would have us believe), basically everybody will be able to travel by car.
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Post by markr on Nov 6, 2018 13:10:16 GMT
Really? Don't you say yourself that the cost of motoring has been falling in real terms which if true will make it more rather than less accessible. Yes, really. But for environmental and quality of life reasons, not cost. The cities that are restricting car use are generally doing it though legislation, and by making the alternatives more desirable, rather than by price.
I have no ideological dislike of anything, really. As a scientist and engineer, I have evidence, and the clear evidence is that "business as usual" in many areas of our lives is not sustainable. Transport, and especially road transport, is one area where that un-sustainability is writ large, and which no one seems to want to do anything about.
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Post by markr on Nov 6, 2018 13:31:33 GMT
'Enlightened' would seem to be that people get to travel only to those destinations the state wants/allows them to. Not for me, thanks. As far as I am aware, none of these schemes have banned anyone from going anywhere, merely influenced their choice of how to get there.
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Post by benaj on Nov 6, 2018 17:10:23 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42182497According to the BBC, the cost of public transport rises steadily since 1997 but cost of driving decreases recently. However, the cost of driving calculation does not include, congestion charges, parking fee, parking fines, traffic violations fines, car insurance, cost of parking right, car washes etc. The average household spending on public transport is less than £17 per week in 2016, much cheaper than driving (£56 per week). However, for Londoners, the cost of public is the most expensive in the world. London Zone 1-4 monthly travel card costs £188.20, that's £43 per week. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39806865For those who can't afford driving, they always feel rising cost of public transport. For those who can afford to drive, there are ways to manage the cost, switching insurance, drive more efficiently, switching to a different car/scheme to reduce cost of ownership.
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Dec 2, 2018 13:53:51 GMT
Another load of moaning because of <3.5% rise for a year. Fuel prices insurance tax etc amounts to over 15% in 6 months.
Having a fixed amount to pay each year makes household budgeting far easier than the large fluctuations in available cash fuel price rises cause.
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Post by Godanubis on Dec 2, 2018 13:59:45 GMT
I was going to suggest our older folks get the bus since you now have to work to 66 or older to get state pension. I then realised it is in Scotland 🏴 you get free travel from the age of 60 and England 🏴 you have to actually be of state retirement age bummer.  |
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Post by r00lish67 on Dec 2, 2018 14:55:01 GMT
Should we feel sorry (financially I assume you mean) for train travellers? I do, to some extent. Groups I feel sorry for: 1) The unaware who pitch up at Manchester Piccadilly and find they need to pay £169 for a single 2nd class ticket to London. 2) The season ticket holders paying over £3,000 per year but who can't have a seat. 3) Not financial - Southern Rail. Aside from those few groups and probably a few more like them, not really. I do though wish train travel was cheaper and more widespread in the UK so that it didn't necessitate careful planning/railcards. But, where it's possible, I love taking the train almost as much as I hate driving places. Italy certainly doesn't do everything right with public transport, but trains are a bargain. I was there over the Summer, and took a train from Lamezia Terme that meanders down the coast to the very tip of the mainland at S.Giovanni - from where the carriages are loaded onto a ferry, taken across the Strait and unloaded in Sicily, where the train then progresses on to Palermo. For that 6 hour journey including the ferry, (buying some super-duper advance ticket) we paid 30 euros for 2 of us, but even normally it would have only cost 30 euros each. Crazy. The above has no reference to anything really, I just really enjoyed that trip  |
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Post by jjc on Dec 2, 2018 19:37:32 GMT
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 2, 2018 20:35:14 GMT
I was going to suggest our older folks get the bus since you now have to work to 66 or older to get state pension. I then realised it is in Scotland 🏴 you get free travel from the age of 60 and England 🏴 you have to actually be of state retirement age bummer. Easily solvable. Bin the Barnet formula & make the Scots raise the extra 15% funding via income tax. That way they'd realise their economy is a basket case without the rest of the UK (even if they were in the EU) and Nicola Krankie might shut up. 😁😁
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Post by Godanubis on Dec 2, 2018 22:01:33 GMT
I was going to suggest our older folks get the bus since you now have to work to 66 or older to get state pension. I then realised it is in Scotland 🏴 you get free travel from the age of 60 and England 🏴 you have to actually be of state retirement age bummer. Easily solvable. Bin the Barnet formula & make the Scots raise the extra 15% funding via income tax. That way they'd realise their economy is a basket case without the rest of the UK (even if they were in the EU) and Nicola Krankie might shut up. 😁😁 Happy to leave the EU and stay in UK keep my free travel, education,personal care,prescriptions unlimited parking for disabled not measly 3hrs and soon to be Basic Universal Income suit me fine. We do pay for it by extra income tax of course so our NHS not quite as bad (having worked for them for >40 yrs) We have nice 65 people per square km compared to 395 in England 🏴 we have no migrant problem who work hard and are well integrated Refugees are welcome. Some days 100% of our energy needs met by renewables so we are Planet Friendly Soon to have one of the best space terminals in the world 🌍 You can still buy somewhere for family not just singleton for under £600 linkWith global warming the weather should soon become nicely moderate
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