Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Aug 12, 2019 22:52:32 GMT
Looney get on the band wagon Labour trying to get climate activists votes and stick it to the “Evil Rich” at the same time by banning grouse shooting. Will this devastate the Tweed industry if there are no more need as the hunting and shooting brigade will have no place to show of their latest tweed outfit.
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Post by martin44 on Aug 12, 2019 23:03:44 GMT
Anyone that thinks its fun to shoot a bird for nowt is a fool... and im a climate change denier... of sorts. edited grammar, " src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png">
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Post by eeyore on Aug 13, 2019 9:22:17 GMT
Will this devastate the Tweed industry if there are no more need as the hunting and shooting brigade will have no place to show of their latest tweed outfit. Surely any ban would have a far greater impact on the UK economy through the decline in the sales of luxury 4x4 vehicles since where else other than a grouse moor would you need a 4x4? Anyway, I thought that waxed cotton rather than tweed was the clothing fabric of choice amongst the ranks of the wildlife killers.
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Post by gramsky on Aug 13, 2019 9:47:35 GMT
Will this devastate the Tweed industry if there are no more need as the hunting and shooting brigade will have no place to show of their latest tweed outfit. Surely any ban would have a far greater impact on the UK economy through the decline in the sales of luxury 4x4 vehicles since where else other than a grouse moor would you need a 4x4? Anyway, I thought that waxed cotton rather than tweed was the clothing fabric of choice amongst the ranks of the wildlife killers. They would still need them to go to Sainsburys! Why is it that a 4x4 that can climb a mountain still needs to come to a stop at speed humps?
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Post by sd2 on Aug 13, 2019 10:27:23 GMT
No but banning shooting will, It will destroy jobs lots of them. The more remote parts of Scotland are being reinhabited. They also spend time keeping the moors from deteriorating. In England and Wales the RSPB support pheasant and partridge shooting as it results in a huge increase in habitat for other birds. Woods are opened up so light gets in resulting in loads of ground cover for other birds to nest in and vast increase in food. Plus cover crops which do the same thing. I used to work for nature Trust which started to do the same thing in some woods. Personally I don't shoot but I work my dog in the beating line. Quite often unpaid. Note the RSPB have no remit for protecting non native birds. Guns generally walk to their shooting pegs, Scotland maybe different. I would assume the shooting fraternity make up a very small section of the tweed industry particularly the grouse shoots, obviously, therefore irrelevant.
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Post by sd2 on Aug 13, 2019 10:31:25 GMT
Anyone that thinks its fun to shoot a bird for nowt is a fool... and im a climate change denier... of sorts. edited grammar, " src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png"> That's your opinion and worthless to boot. If you don't like it don't do it. I bring back 12 pheasants to give e to people who are skint, they appreciate it. Who cares what you think....other than you.
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Post by jonno on Aug 13, 2019 10:44:19 GMT
Anyone that thinks its fun to shoot a bird for nowt is a fool... and im a climate change denier... of sorts. edited grammar, " src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png"> That's your opinion and worthless to boot. If you don't like it don't do it. I bring back 12 pheasants to give e to people who are skint, they appreciate it. Who cares what you think....other than you. My my, what an unpheasant plucker.
By the way martin44, when you say you're a climate change DENIER, do you mean you swap between stockings and tights depending on the weather?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 10:46:42 GMT
An interesting debate.
The tweed industry has moved on from being the cloth of choice for golfers and shooters. Now models disport themselves in Paris or NY in this cloth.
The existence of land especially developed to allow the killing of pheasants, a creature basically from China, by people who "pay" for the pleasure with the opportunity for "trickle-down" economics is a bit weird. Trickle-down doesn't work, I wish it did but I've still seen no evidence. Like that mentioned above my BIL beats for nothing, that is not trickle down that is something else.
The debate really needs to be what should the land be doing, the most obvious answer is mixed woodland to suck CO2 out of the air, the debate should be how locals should benefit rather than investment companies. Scotland already has some interesting legal solutions to having large estates held by distant owners, certainly, the moors in Yorkshire could benefit from this, presently the Socialist Republic of Bradford owns most of Ilkley Moor and retains it in 1900 cent style for the benefits of shooters and walkers. Maybe one day we will be allowed to have trees and an income will be made available.
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Post by sd2 on Aug 13, 2019 10:47:50 GMT
Surely any ban would have a far greater impact on the UK economy through the decline in the sales of luxury 4x4 vehicles since where else other than a grouse moor would you need a 4x4? Anyway, I thought that waxed cotton rather than tweed was the clothing fabric of choice amongst the ranks of the wildlife killers. They would still need them to go to Sainsburys! Why is it that a 4x4 that can climb a mountain still needs to come to a stop at speed humps? As you are well aware very few 4x4 are bought by hunters, the majority are bought by "towney's" no doubt like a large proportion of people on this site, like yourself for instance. Most bought by the guns are also used on farms as large proportion are farmers.
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Post by sd2 on Aug 13, 2019 11:03:04 GMT
An interesting debate.
The tweed industry has moved on from being the cloth of choice for golfers and shooters. Now models disport themselves in Paris or NY in this cloth.
The existence of land especially developed to allow the killing of pheasants, a creature basically from China, by people who "pay" for the pleasure with the opportunity for "trickle-down" economics is a bit weird. Trickle-down doesn't work, I wish it did but I've still seen no evidence. Like that mentioned above my BIL beats for nothing, that is not trickle down that is something else.
The debate really needs to be what should the land be doing, the most obvious answer is mixed woodland to suck CO2 out of the air, the debate should be how locals should benefit rather than investment companies. Scotland already has some interesting legal solutions to having large estates held by distant owners, certainly, the moors in Yorkshire could benefit from this, presently the Socialist Republic of Bradford owns most of Ilkley Moor and retains it in 1900 cent style for the benefits of shooters and walkers. Maybe one day we will be allowed to have trees and an income will be made available.
I believe in Scotland in resulting in reinhabiting remote areas. Lots get work beating especially the retired. The belief that some land is useful for foresting is sign of ignorance. Moorland (bog) is only suitable for Norwegian pines. That is there habitat in Norway. The difference is they grow all year round in the UK...result wood fit for nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 11:22:05 GMT
Norwegian Pines; ah you are thinking in terms of logging.
I'm not thinking in terms of logging, I'm thinking in terms of CO2 capture, habitat diversity and basic soil modifications.
Probably worth reviewing what the Icelandic nation is doing to re-forest their country. Synopsis; after destroying all major trees by about 1500 they operated for many years having to introduce wood from the continent in order to maintain boats etc. After much research they recognised the need for more trees in the 70s and have begun a major replanting exercise or Lupins (I know) to modify the soil so they can re-introduce trees.
But why do Icelanders want trees? (they don't, they want to return the country to the norm and they want CO2 suck-up and a diversifying habitat after destroying theirs 500 years ago)
The world is changing and our thinking has to change. Right now the trickle-down economy has retained parts of Scotland in servitude.
"If you keep doing what you always did, you will always get what you always got." as a wise man once said.
If anyone fails to understand climate change can I suggest a short MOOC say with the University of Alabama, it's free and if you struggle with Google I can find a link for you.
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Post by sd2 on Aug 13, 2019 12:23:13 GMT
I am not thinking of logging the only thing that will grow in bog is Norwegian pine. It's ingonrance to suggest the land was created for shotting utter rubbish it was created for sheep. Going by the Pennines bog at the bottom near enough bate rock at the top. All pheasant and partidge shoots require woods. New woods are being planted all the time.
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Post by eeyore on Aug 13, 2019 13:50:26 GMT
They would still need them to go to Sainsburys! Why is it that a 4x4 that can climb a mountain still needs to come to a stop at speed humps? As you are well aware very few 4x4 are bought by hunters, the majority are bought by "towney's" no doubt like a large proportion of people on this site, like yourself for instance. Most bought by the guns are also used on farms as large proportion are farmers. Oh dear, did you not recognise the shovelful of irony that came with my original comment about a decline of 4x4 sales? It's an argument that makes about as much sense as the loss in sales of tweed! "Human civilisation" really hasn't come very far when there are people who take pleasure simply in depriving other creatures of their life.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 13, 2019 14:10:44 GMT
Looney get on the band wagon Labour trying to get climate activists votes and stick it to the “Evil Rich” at the same time by banning grouse shooting..... The question posed by the title is one can assume daft by conscious choice.
Can the same be said for what appears to be the deliberate twisting of actuality by the corresponding post ? My understanding is that Labour have "urged a review" of the environmental damage.
I don't necessarily disagree that its also driven partly by a "stick it to the rich" approach. Still, when the party of power appears to have chosen the likes of Rees-Mogg and BoJo as the "champions of the people", it no doubt makes that a particularly attractive and easy attack line to take.
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Post by Godanubis on Aug 13, 2019 14:34:32 GMT
The debate is if the outcome was to ban grouse shooting. We have some nice beavers up here We don’t shoot them. (Often)
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