Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Apr 28, 2020 22:05:45 GMT
With climate change activists having little to object about as CO2 emissions plummet and they can’t get together to have nettle soup parties and sing alongs the world is a quieter place. Also the most likely Coronavirus vaccine that is nearly ready for use was tested on monkeys. That should weed out the next annoying vocal minority Vegans. They won’t take the vaccine so will be decimated thereby making for a much quieter world. There is an upside to every disaster  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 9:41:19 GMT
Climate change activists are the norm, come on board and see the better world we are looking at. Leave your stygian darkness and come towards the light :-)
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Post by registerme on Apr 29, 2020 16:06:56 GMT
The problem with the tree-hugging lentil-eaters is they refuse to engage in a civil, adult discussion. Like calling the people you're "in debate with" tree-hugging lentil-eaters? 
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 16:27:31 GMT
Climate change activists are the norm, come on board and see the better world we are looking at. Leave your stygian darkness and come towards the light :-) I don't have a problem with climate change activists per-se. What I do have a problem with is their modus operandi. Holding massively disruptive events ? Not a way to endear yourself to Joe Public or the politicians. Holding school strikes ? Looks good in the media, but you shouldn't put your beliefs ahead of a good education. etc. etc. They also hold completely unrealistic opinions. "Don't fly !" they say. Well fine, but show me a viable alternative that doesn't entail returning to the last century and spending weeks on a boat dodging icebergs. "Don't drive !" they say. Again, show me a viable alternative. Electric is not there yet, and the question over batteries is an ecological question they carefully dodge. etc. etc. The problem with the tree-hugging lentil-eaters is they refuse to engage in a civil, adult discussion. Well I think we are Joe Public I'm pretty happy with solar and wind electrolysis driving hydrogen cars, cheaper than diesel. See also making great share price movements for ITM, TRIG etc
I too am less happy with aircraft, certainly biofuels help and lot and generating fuel from bio waste is a lot better than burning it to heat homes, but it still helps. I see Shell is going big on biofuels in Europe. I also think battery assisted take off for short haul aircraft looks very exciting. The engines that go in aircraft are only that big to get the thing to take off. If you couple that with Airbus's latest flexible wing idea that gets very efficient.
Trains, I like trains, bicycles, I like bicycles.
Civil conversation. I suspect that is a two way street. The option could be described as "we are burning the planet andd you have to put up with it" and that doesn't add to the conversation. Conversations are two way right now many climate change activists are tired of not being listened to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 21:35:35 GMT
Change happens when a population starts to do something different. 25% of the population will seize on new ideas and drive ahead. 25% will sit on their hands and complain about stuff. 50% will wait to see which way the wind is blowing.
The first 25% always look crazy to the last 25%.
We've discussed this before about smoking. In the 60s everyone smoked, now only the stupid, poor and addicted still smoke.
When you look at the maths, 2050 is too late, so some people want to aim for 2035. What looks like a rush to you is far to slow for other ordinary Joe's.
The technology is almost already here, the costs are similar or less than existing technology. Even Tesla's require fewer repairs than similar fossil fuel vehicles.
Come aboard.
On the other hand I prefer a peaceful transition, that will require a lot of work to ease disruption.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 7:18:32 GMT
Interestly true, I don't think battery powered cars are the answer (nor did I say so). Frustratingly Greenpeace thinks they are the dog's b@@@@ks. I think the solution is the Mirai or the Resa. Then the issue is how to hold the hydrogen in the car, either using nano materials at roughly 5 atmospheres or in a carbon fibre tank at 700 bar. Either way the technology is here.
My point about the Tesla maintenance is that electrical cars (battery or hydrogen) are just simpler and more stable than fossil fuel cars. The same is being found in very short distance commercial flights, basically thermal engines are really really bad at most of the things they do. Noisy, polluting, inefficient and self destroying.
The world had this discussion back in 1897 (a very pivotal date). Diesel, battery or steam and we chose the wrong one. Now we get to choose again and this time steam is replaced by hydrogen.
I think the important thing is to keep talking and more to the point listening and reading. Don't get angry, join in. I say this because the discussion should be helping you in your share selection process. Any share connected with oil is going to be even more volatile than it has been, because we are approaching or have passed peak oil. We have also found more oil than we can ever imagine in places we thought we drilled dry. So the trend line on the oil price is only ever going to be down. Saudi runs its state at $80 a b. Russia at $25 a b. Saudi is therefore in the s@@ s.
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Apr 30, 2020 9:29:33 GMT
I'm waiting for the first major accident involving electric cars and the horrific effects of a runaway fire in the batteries, or the ECO warriors discover the effect if the electrolyte leaks and hits a water course, because that stuff is so bad it will make the Torrey Canyon, exxon Valdex etc like like a minor oil spill.
I'm greener than most at this time of year I pull no power from grid at all, but in the winter November to March I need to pull at least 5KW a day, so this idea of being totally self sufficient for electric is a no from me, even if I spent money adding more panels in the winter the light just isn't strong enough in UK for panels to be efficient.
Right now it's dull and raining, My panels are producing 500W of which 250 is battery charging and 250 is my usage in Mid December I was getting less than 1.5KW a day.
People need to be encouraged to go green perhaps by odd incentives such as a £500 PA council tax reduction for houses with panels or a carbon tax lets say you allow each residential property 10000KW a year ( gas and electric ) use less get a 10P a unit rebate, use more pay an extra 5P per unit for first 1000 units, 6P for next 10,00 units and so on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 13:39:40 GMT
I'm waiting for the first major accident involving electric cars and the horrific effects of a runaway fire in the batteries, or the ECO warriors discover the effect if the electrolyte leaks and hits a water course, because that stuff is so bad it will make the Torrey Canyon, exxon Valdex etc like like a minor oil spill. I'm greener than most at this time of year I pull no power from grid at all, but in the winter November to March I need to pull at least 5KW a day, so this idea of being totally self sufficient for electric is a no from me, even if I spent money adding more panels in the winter the light just isn't strong enough in UK for panels to be efficient. Right now it's dull and raining, My panels are producing 500W of which 250 is battery charging and 250 is my usage in Mid December I was getting less than 1.5KW a day. People need to be encouraged to go green perhaps by odd incentives such as a £500 PA council tax reduction for houses with panels or a carbon tax lets say you allow each residential property 10000KW a year ( gas and electric ) use less get a 10P a unit rebate, use more pay an extra 5P per unit for first 1000 units, 6P for next 10,00 units and so on. Why, are you also waiting for the first major oil spill or coal pollution or petrol driven car fire. No, because we see ships "flushing their bilges" as normal (think the sea around Venice slowly dying because that is what "Princess Fat Boat" does everyday.
We have already had some major battery run-away fires as we have had laptop fires on aircraft. No one cares. "As long as you just kill people I don't care about....." is the real issue for most people.
Going off grid is something different from the main green message. More about crazies in the wood. You need and will get more localised grids with smart intergration. It is a simple solution and means that many of the assets listed in the capital of major distribution companies are toast. Focus on assets that will move us forward not just depreciate under dead accountants' thumbs.
Encouragement for solar panels. The prices are incredibly low and the FITS payements are very high and inflation proofed. One of the best deals I ever did was install them, as did all my family. Frankly if you find the present incentives too low, where is your fantastic Building Society where you can get 10%? Really I need to know because I want to invest.
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Post by Stonk on May 4, 2020 16:54:59 GMT
That should weed out the next annoying vocal minority Vegans. They won’t take the vaccine so will be decimated thereby making for a much quieter world.
Alas, they will only be decimated in the original sense of the word (one in ten dead) rather than the popular usage. 
Even if they were almost wiped out, the survivors would lead to a population of immortal super-vegans, who would be even more super-superior, annoyingly vocal and active. Rather than the rest of us having to wait 5 or 10 minutes for them to inform us that they are vegan, we'd be hearing it about every 30 seconds.
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keitha
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Post by keitha on May 5, 2020 8:58:38 GMT
I'm waiting for the first major accident involving electric cars and the horrific effects of a runaway fire in the batteries, or the ECO warriors discover the effect if the electrolyte leaks and hits a water course, because that stuff is so bad it will make the Torrey Canyon, exxon Valdex etc like like a minor oil spill. I'm greener than most at this time of year I pull no power from grid at all, but in the winter November to March I need to pull at least 5KW a day, so this idea of being totally self sufficient for electric is a no from me, even if I spent money adding more panels in the winter the light just isn't strong enough in UK for panels to be efficient. Right now it's dull and raining, My panels are producing 500W of which 250 is battery charging and 250 is my usage in Mid December I was getting less than 1.5KW a day. People need to be encouraged to go green perhaps by odd incentives such as a £500 PA council tax reduction for houses with panels or a carbon tax lets say you allow each residential property 10000KW a year ( gas and electric ) use less get a 10P a unit rebate, use more pay an extra 5P per unit for first 1000 units, 6P for next 10,00 units and so on. Why, are you also waiting for the first major oil spill or coal pollution or petrol driven car fire. No, because we see ships "flushing their bilges" as normal (think the sea around Venice slowly dying because that is what "Princess Fat Boat" does everyday.
We have already had some major battery run-away fires as we have had laptop fires on aircraft. No one cares. "As long as you just kill people I don't care about....." is the real issue for most people.
Going off grid is something different from the main green message. More about crazies in the wood. You need and will get more localised grids with smart intergration. It is a simple solution and means that many of the assets listed in the capital of major distribution companies are toast. Focus on assets that will move us forward not just depreciate under dead accountants' thumbs.
Encouragement for solar panels. The prices are incredibly low and the FITS payements are very high and inflation proofed. One of the best deals I ever did was install them, as did all my family. Frankly if you find the present incentives too low, where is your fantastic Building Society where you can get 10%? Really I need to know because I want to invest.
If you think £7000 for something that saves £500 a year is low … ( it's not 10% because you need to replace in the future, and panels degrade over time as well ) Fits has been abolished, some of the big 6 won't give you anything for surplus energy from your panels ( part of the reason I dumped EON )
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Post by Steerpike on May 5, 2020 9:46:06 GMT
The technology is almost already here, the costs are similar or less than existing technology. Even Tesla's require fewer repairs than similar fossil fuel vehicles. You still need to stop on a long journey (multiple times?) to top up your beloved Tesla at a "supercharger" which is typically located at an inconvenient location at some random hotel or supermarket or rather than a service station. The "supercharger" is not that super if you need to hang around for the charge to happen, 30–40 minutes vs 5 minutes for petrol. Tesla (and other electric car) distance figures only apply if you drive like an old biddy an have all the mod-cons (e.g. aircon) turned off. Finally to reiterate my prior point, all the greenies are careful to avoid the elephant in the room about the recyclability of batteries. "Technology almost already here", my arse ! I have a Tesla, after a lifetime of mostly BMWs, it is the fastest accelerating car that I have ever owned, I drive with all the mod-cons on and certainly not like an old biddy. EV batteries should have a similar lifetime to the average ICE and can then have a second life as battery storage before finally being recycled using a facility like that being developed in Nevada.
We charge overnight at home and so always start the day with a "full tank" and on an average day have no need to recharge away from home, so less than the 5 minutes in a smelly petrol station.
There are only a few journeys a year where we need to use the Supercharger network and the charging time is invariably less than the time that we want for a refreshment break anyway.
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Post by IFISAcava on May 5, 2020 10:31:40 GMT
You still need to stop on a long journey (multiple times?) to top up your beloved Tesla at a "supercharger" which is typically located at an inconvenient location at some random hotel or supermarket or rather than a service station. The "supercharger" is not that super if you need to hang around for the charge to happen, 30–40 minutes vs 5 minutes for petrol. Tesla (and other electric car) distance figures only apply if you drive like an old biddy an have all the mod-cons (e.g. aircon) turned off. Finally to reiterate my prior point, all the greenies are careful to avoid the elephant in the room about the recyclability of batteries. "Technology almost already here", my arse ! I have a Tesla, after a lifetime of mostly BMWs, it is the fastest accelerating car that I have ever owned, I drive with all the mod-cons on and certainly not like an old biddy. EV batteries should have a similar lifetime to the average ICE and can then have a second life as battery storage before finally being recycled using a facility like that being developed in Nevada.
We charge overnight at home and so always start the day with a "full tank" and on an average day have no need to recharge away from home, so less than the 5 minutes in a smelly petrol station.
There are only a few journeys a year where we need to use the Supercharger network and the charging time is invariably less than the time that we want for a refreshment break anyway.
A huge issue for those of use living in cities, without a garage or even off street parking, is that you can't charge it overnight. Sure, there are a couple of charging points here and there, but they are but a drop in the ocean.
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