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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 15, 2021 15:06:37 GMT
There are thousands more given to those who are low earners as tax credits for each child (unless they have ignored the 2 child cap introduced to try to discourage professional breeders). Here is the list of all the child subsidies available, which I would have thought would have fed them really well if they were spent on the kids. A lot of headings but basically amounts to: Maternity/paternity pay, child benefit, child tax credits, benefits for disabled children, benefits if you are a student parent, help with childcare, and costs associated with school. Not a lot of extra cash that can be spent on food. Child benefit seems to be the only cash for most parents £21.15, 1st child, £14 each subsequent child, ie, £3 or £2 pounds a day per child. In my view that is not enough to feed a child three decent meals a day, let alone buy clothes, shoes and perhaps you might allow them an occasional toy or some activity outside the house.
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Post by JamesFrance on Jul 15, 2021 15:40:20 GMT
There are thousands more given to those who are low earners as tax credits for each child (unless they have ignored the 2 child cap introduced to try to discourage professional breeders). Here is the list of all the child subsidies available, which I would have thought would have fed them really well if they were spent on the kids. A lot of headings but basically amounts to: Maternity/paternity pay, child benefit, child tax credits, benefits for disabled children, benefits if you are a student parent, help with childcare, and costs associated with school. Not a lot of extra cash that can be spent on food. Child benefit seems to be the only cash for most parents £21.15, 1st child, £14 each subsequent child, ie, £3 or £2 pounds a day per child. In my view that is not enough to feed a child three decent meals a day, let alone buy clothes, shoes and perhaps you might allow them an occasional toy or some activity outside the house. Don't forget the child tax credit of £3390 for the first child and £2845 for the others. When my wife left school about 60 years ago she first trained as a nursery nurse. One of the first things they taught her was that even then if children were mal nourished, it wasn't because their parents couldn't afford to feed them, but that they spent the money on the wrong things.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 16, 2021 5:21:45 GMT
A lot of headings but basically amounts to: Maternity/paternity pay, child benefit, child tax credits, benefits for disabled children, benefits if you are a student parent, help with childcare, and costs associated with school. Not a lot of extra cash that can be spent on food. Child benefit seems to be the only cash for most parents £21.15, 1st child, £14 each subsequent child, ie, £3 or £2 pounds a day per child. In my view that is not enough to feed a child three decent meals a day, let alone buy clothes, shoes and perhaps you might allow them an occasional toy or some activity outside the house. Don't forget the child tax credit of £3390 for the first child and £2845 for the others. When my wife left school about 60 years ago she first trained as a nursery nurse. One of the first things they taught her was that even then if children were mal nourished, it wasn't because their parents couldn't afford to feed them, but that they spent the money on the wrong things. I had a look at child tax credit, it seems rather complicated and tied up with working tax credit. Putting in three children and a family income of £15,000 (declaring no disabilities and randomly answering the other questions, I have no idea what else affects the outcome) I got allowances of £480/month for the total child tax credit and £110 working tax credit. I suspect the third child got nothing, but not exactly a fortune. My mother was a nurse 60 years ago and worked on children's wards, by contrast she was pretty horrified by the poverty some of the children lived in, she would pass on our out grown clothes to them sometimes. There were certainly children in our street in those days who didn't get enough to eat. I remember one small boy was hungry and 'stole' a slice of bread from a loaf left by the milkman, he got caught and beaten by the man of the house, who then told the boy's father so he got beaten again, the good old days.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 16, 2021 10:34:47 GMT
Don't forget the child tax credit of £3390 for the first child and £2845 for the others. When my wife left school about 60 years ago she first trained as a nursery nurse. One of the first things they taught her was that even then if children were mal nourished, it wasn't because their parents couldn't afford to feed them, but that they spent the money on the wrong things. I had a look at child tax credit, it seems rather complicated and tied up with working tax credit. Putting in three children and a family income of £15,000 (declaring no disabilities and randomly answering the other questions, I have no idea what else affects the outcome) I got allowances of £480/month for the total child tax credit and £110 working tax credit. I suspect the third child got nothing, but not exactly a fortune. My mother was a nurse 60 years ago and worked on children's wards, by contrast she was pretty horrified by the poverty some of the children lived in, she would pass on our out grown clothes to them sometimes. There were certainly children in our street in those days who didn't get enough to eat. I remember one small boy was hungry and 'stole' a slice of bread from a loaf left by the milkman, he got caught and beaten by the man of the house, who then told the boy's father so he got beaten again, the good old days. That reminded me that if I was hungry in the evening as a kid, I'd sometimes be allowed to spread myself a slice of bread and dripping. It was a real treat. I wonder how many kids today would think so? They'd probably call it child cruelty these days!
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Post by agent69 on Jul 16, 2021 11:31:29 GMT
I had a look at child tax credit, it seems rather complicated and tied up with working tax credit. Putting in three children and a family income of £15,000 (declaring no disabilities and randomly answering the other questions, I have no idea what else affects the outcome) I got allowances of £480/month for the total child tax credit and £110 working tax credit. I suspect the third child got nothing, but not exactly a fortune. My mother was a nurse 60 years ago and worked on children's wards, by contrast she was pretty horrified by the poverty some of the children lived in, she would pass on our out grown clothes to them sometimes. There were certainly children in our street in those days who didn't get enough to eat. I remember one small boy was hungry and 'stole' a slice of bread from a loaf left by the milkman, he got caught and beaten by the man of the house, who then told the boy's father so he got beaten again, the good old days. That reminded me that if I was hungry in the evening as a kid, I'd sometimes be allowed to spread myself a slice of bread and dripping. It was a real treat. I wonder how many kids today would think so? They'd probably call it child cruelty these days! Same as tripe and chitlins. Father was a big fan of them, but I could never understand why.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 16, 2021 15:04:02 GMT
That reminded me that if I was hungry in the evening as a kid, I'd sometimes be allowed to spread myself a slice of bread and dripping. It was a real treat. I wonder how many kids today would think so? Fortunately, spreading left-over lard on bread is no longer regarded as "a treat", simply a short-cut to obesity and cardiac issues... Life has improved in many ways, and having far wider and better choices of food than the depressing boring sameiness of this kind of "British cuisine" is one of them.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 16, 2021 15:22:12 GMT
That reminded me that if I was hungry in the evening as a kid, I'd sometimes be allowed to spread myself a slice of bread and dripping. It was a real treat. I wonder how many kids today would think so? Fortunately, spreading left-over lard on bread is no longer regarded as "a treat", simply a short-cut to obesity and cardiac issues... Life has improved in many ways, and having far wider and better choices of food than the depressing boring sameiness of this kind of "British cuisine" is one of them. Had to be beef dripping! We didn't get enough of it to be dangerous to health a beef joint was a rarity. I usually managed to get mostly the beef juices hiding under the fat, making me feel hungry now.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 16, 2021 15:30:26 GMT
Fortunately, spreading left-over lard on bread is no longer regarded as "a treat", simply a short-cut to obesity and cardiac issues... Life has improved in many ways, and having far wider and better choices of food than the depressing boring sameiness of this kind of "British cuisine" is one of them. Had to be beef dripping! We didn't get enough of it to be dangerous to health a beef joint was a rarity. I usually managed to get mostly the beef juices hiding under the fat, making me feel hungry now. Rendered subcutaneous fatty tissue. (And, yes, I do know that it's only lard if it's porcine, but tallow if it's bovine or ovine...) Tell kids today that that was a rare treat, they'll think you're rehashing that Monty Python Yorkshireman sketch again...
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Post by adrianc on Jul 16, 2021 15:34:00 GMT
Meanwhile, getting back to the actual topic of the thread instead of generic nostalgia...
The muppet that shoved a firework up his chuff has actually given his side to the papers - allegedly netting him a five-figure payout from the (usual suspect, lowest-common-denominator) paper in the process.
A 25yo roofer from Wokingham, he proudly boasts that he'd got through 20 cans of strongbow before the cocaine he's also photographed partaking of... He is similarly proud that he got into both finals and semis without a ticket, having bribed stewards.
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Post by james100 on Jul 16, 2021 15:53:46 GMT
Meanwhile, getting back to the actual topic of the thread instead of generic nostalgia... The muppet that shoved a firework up his chuff has actually given his side to the papers - allegedly netting him a five-figure payout from the (usual suspect, lowest-common-denominator) paper in the process. A 25yo roofer from Wokingham, he proudly boasts that he'd got through 20 cans of strongbow before the cocaine he's also photographed partaking of... He is similarly proud that he got into both finals and semis without a ticket, having bribed stewards. Land of Hope and Glory.
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Post by keitha on Jul 16, 2021 16:28:38 GMT
That reminded me that if I was hungry in the evening as a kid, I'd sometimes be allowed to spread myself a slice of bread and dripping. It was a real treat. I wonder how many kids today would think so? They'd probably call it child cruelty these days! Same as tripe and chitlins. Father was a big fan of them, but I could never understand why. and Brawn I do like a nice Haslet or tongue bernythedolt were you allowed to sprinkle salt on too and for those who are having issues checking what they are they usually pronounced and sometimes spelt chiltlins but properly chitterlings, and yes I have seen then in the old butchers attached to the tap with a piece of string to wash them through
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 16, 2021 16:42:48 GMT
That reminded me that if I was hungry in the evening as a kid, I'd sometimes be allowed to spread myself a slice of bread and dripping. It was a real treat. I wonder how many kids today would think so? They'd probably call it child cruelty these days! Same as tripe and chitlins. Father was a big fan of them, but I could never understand why. My mother had a bit of a thing against offal, one of her uncle's was a butcher and I don't think he recommended them (to family anyway). One thing we weren't subjected to.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 17, 2021 3:28:17 GMT
Same as tripe and chitlins. Father was a big fan of them, but I could never understand why. and Brawn I do like a nice Haslet or tongue bernythedolt were you allowed to sprinkle salt on too Yes, definitely needed a good covering of salt - probably more than any other dish I can think of. Pretty bland without, you probably remember.
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Post by dave4 on Jul 17, 2021 6:18:37 GMT
That reminded me that if I was hungry in the evening as a kid, I'd sometimes be allowed to spread myself a slice of bread and dripping. It was a real treat. I wonder how many kids today would think so? Fortunately, spreading left-over lard on bread is no longer regarded as "a treat", simply a short-cut to obesity and cardiac issues... Life has improved in many ways, and having far wider and better choices of food than the depressing boring sameiness of this kind of "British cuisine" is one of them. Fortunately, spreading left-over lard on bread is no longer regarded as "a treat", simply a short-cut to obesity and cardiac issues... Modern difference, you walked back then, now your driven/ electric scooter to a serving window.Life has improved in many ways, and having far wider and better choices of food than the depressing boring sameiness of this kind of "British cuisine" is one of them. Modern difference, have you seen the pa larva when the under 30s cant get a fast food fix?
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Post by jonno on Jul 17, 2021 8:42:08 GMT
I had a look at child tax credit, it seems rather complicated and tied up with working tax credit. Putting in three children and a family income of £15,000 (declaring no disabilities and randomly answering the other questions, I have no idea what else affects the outcome) I got allowances of £480/month for the total child tax credit and £110 working tax credit. I suspect the third child got nothing, but not exactly a fortune. My mother was a nurse 60 years ago and worked on children's wards, by contrast she was pretty horrified by the poverty some of the children lived in, she would pass on our out grown clothes to them sometimes. There were certainly children in our street in those days who didn't get enough to eat. I remember one small boy was hungry and 'stole' a slice of bread from a loaf left by the milkman, he got caught and beaten by the man of the house, who then told the boy's father so he got beaten again, the good old days. That reminded me that if I was hungry in the evening as a kid, I'd sometimes be allowed to spread myself a slice of bread and dripping. It was a real treat. I wonder how many kids today would think so? They'd probably call it child cruelty these days! I remember my mum asking the local butcher (who she knew well) if he kept dripping. His answer was "No Joan, not since the operation". I'm not totally sure she fully understood.
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