travolta
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Post by travolta on Oct 15, 2021 16:36:06 GMT
Seriously tho, eating bullets and driving off a cliff is a fantasy......You will make an awful mess foryour nearest and dearest to clean up.
I'm looking for a realistic end of life solution BUT nobody is willing to hear our plea.
Most of the medical profession are young nerds who are good@remembering facts (some.not so good).
There are kind merciful exits but who has them available.
There needs to be more determind research into non suffering exits.
Does anyone know of any?
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Post by james100 on Oct 15, 2021 17:48:09 GMT
Seriously tho, eating bullets and driving off a cliff is a fantasy......You will make an awful mess foryour nearest and dearest to clean up. I'm looking for a realistic end of life solution BUT nobody is willing to hear our plea. Most of the medical profession are young nerds who are good@remembering facts (some.not so good). There are kind merciful exits but who has them available. There needs to be more determind research into non suffering exits. Does anyone know of any? I guess Dignitas is an option. 10K (GBP) including funeral. It's a very sad subject. I used to live near the entrance to one of the national parks in Sydney and often visited by the police needing to check around the property for missing oldies who might have "got lost". Apparently, people used to pick a beautiful day go for a long bushwalk, OD and by the next sunrise they'd be taken by nature, leaving behind confused relatives who assumed they'd genuinely gone missing.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Oct 15, 2021 20:05:44 GMT
If you are bad collect your morphine, or similar tablets (don't take them) suffer the pain and take them in a big way. Although it may be difficult to stop staff seeing what you are doing.
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Post by michaelc on Oct 15, 2021 20:32:55 GMT
We're a country that can stop suffering in pets but not in people. No doubt at all in my view, any adult of sound mind should be able to obtain help in putting themselves to sleep permanently if that is what they want.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 16, 2021 6:50:14 GMT
We're a country that can stop suffering in pets but not in people. No doubt at all in my view, any adult of sound mind should be able to obtain help in putting themselves to sleep permanently if that is what they want. Yup, it's cruel to let Tibbles or Fido suffer, but it's cruel not to make Granny suffer.
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 16, 2021 9:51:05 GMT
Its highly likely that a lot you are going to follow this decllne. What will you do about this dilemma that you are handing to your family/friends/TheState? Thelma & Louise off a local mountain road. the problem with these solutions are several fold By the time you get to the point where you have decided you want to stop it, you most likely will have lost the physical capacity to easily do it yourself. My father, at 89, and suffering some long term injury stuff, stopped driving 18 months ago. No he doesn't yet want to drive off a cliff (though there have been some low points), but if he does in the future he won't be able to. When you get to the point that the current you would not like to be burden on others due to loss of mental capacity/dementia, it is likely that the then you is not sufficiently aware.
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 16, 2021 9:52:52 GMT
We're a country that can stop suffering in pets but not in people. No doubt at all in my view, any adult of sound mind should be able to obtain help in putting themselves to sleep permanently if that is what they want. Yup, it's cruel to let Tibbles or Fido suffer, but it's cruel not to make Granny suffer. One word: legacy of religion (ok that's 3, but more understandable than just 'religion').
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Post by failedtheturingtest on Oct 17, 2021 10:23:10 GMT
When you get to the point that the current you would not like to be burden on others due to loss of mental capacity/dementia, it is likely that the then you is not sufficiently aware. Exactly this. The people interviewed in the article that began this thread are in very early stages of the disease and are still able to function well enough in the world. But the cruel irony of dementia is that by the time your quality of life has really deteriorated, you are no longer able to understand what is happening, nor formulate or follow through on any plan to deal with it. I saw this in my mother: she was unaware of her difficulties and fought hard against suggestions that she was no longer able to care for herself, until eventually she had to be placed in a care home for her own safety. I am certain that her 'old self' who had her full faculties would have been horrified to see how her life has changed, but in her case, as her capacities declined there was never a moment when she was both sufficiently aware of what was happening to her and sufficiently capable to take any action on her own initiative.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 17, 2021 16:08:49 GMT
When you get to the point that the current you would not like to be burden on others due to loss of mental capacity/dementia, it is likely that the then you is not sufficiently aware. Unfortunately not. My father was far too well aware that he had a problem with <taps forehead>, and He Did Not Like It One Little Bit. In the end, he decided that there was really only one option available to him - and he stopped eating and drinking completely. He went from the care home to hospital, where he was put on drips to rehydrate him. As soon as he regained consciousness, he pulled every tube out that he could. Repeatedly. The hospital asked me what I thought. I said he seemed to have taken a very deliberate decision, and who was I to argue? He went back to the care home to fade away quietly. If he'd been put on a feeding tube, instead of just rehydration, that would not have been an option. They would have required a court order to withdraw nutrition.
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 22, 2021 11:30:54 GMT
When you get to the point that the current you would not like to be burden on others due to loss of mental capacity/dementia, it is likely that the then you is not sufficiently aware. Unfortunately not. My father was far too well aware that he had a problem with <taps forehead>, and He Did Not Like It One Little Bit. In the end, he decided that there was really only one option available to him - and he stopped eating and drinking completely. He went from the care home to hospital, where he was put on drips to rehydrate him. As soon as he regained consciousness, he pulled every tube out that he could. Repeatedly. The hospital asked me what I thought. I said he seemed to have taken a very deliberate decision, and who was I to argue?He went back to the care home to fade away quietly. If he'd been put on a feeding tube, instead of just rehydration, that would not have been an option. They would have required a court order to withdraw nutrition. Must have been very hard, but I think you did the right thing by him. My father-in-law had Lewy Body too. Very sad to witness his confusion and his decline. Every sympathy.
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Post by mogish on Oct 25, 2021 9:42:09 GMT
It seems that there is always a short term view of costs with councils Councils are skint, after a decade of budget-cutting from central gov't. About 40% of my county council's expenditure is adult social services. The care system in this country is simply massively broken, and needs rebuilding from Westminster down. Yes councils are skint however as Keith commented, the waste of money is ludicrous. I currently work in local government. Our dept recently spent 80k on a project that was known would fail before it even started but was started to prove a political point. Senior managers generally have no previous commercial experience and find throwing money at stuff like overtime is easier than managing productivity. Our entire systems need reviewed. I would also add that national government is no better. More wastage on a bigger scale. Until there is a complete change of working practices then nowt will change. Dinosaurs living on past glories.
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Post by keitha on Oct 25, 2021 13:56:30 GMT
Councils are skint, after a decade of budget-cutting from central gov't. About 40% of my county council's expenditure is adult social services. The care system in this country is simply massively broken, and needs rebuilding from Westminster down. Yes councils are skint however as Keith commented, the waste of money is ludicrous. I currently work in local government. Our dept recently spent 80k on a project that was known would fail before it even started but was started to prove a political point. Senior managers generally have no previous commercial experience and find throwing money at stuff like overtime is easier than managing productivity. Our entire systems need reviewed. I would also add that national government is no better. More wastage on a bigger scale. Until there is a complete change of working practices then nowt will change. Dinosaurs living on past glories. One manager I worked with was great at managing in a crisis, his Department lurched from crisis to crisis, it was only when he was off long term sick that other managers saw how well his Department ran without him there that something was done.
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