adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Dec 7, 2021 16:08:50 GMT
So social workers have more paperwork to do which means unless we have more of them they can't do as many visits. Also from personal experience social workers tend not to look too hard behind the facade That's a vicious circle. Spend more time on fewer visits, or try to get round more visits...
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Dec 7, 2021 17:14:06 GMT
and the less time they spend on visits the more chance of a child slipping through the net
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Post by michaelc on Dec 7, 2021 17:21:29 GMT
the truth is that 40 years ago, either a liitle old lady would have reported this to the police and the kid removed to a council home where he would be alive but probably very distorted
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nothing, he would have just died
because we don't know how many kids died unaturally 40 years ago, how many got fiddled with or how many got mangled
now we know
I suspect life is much better as adults are no longer scared by war or religion
adults are now scared by drugs and by lack of family, drug polution needs removal
it is very easy to follow the press and distract our energies in the wrong direction, the problem that needs stamping on is illegal drugs
Yes we should make them all legal to over 18s. That would obviously stop all drug "crime" but also stop a very large number of burglaries/muggings where the perpetrator is desperate to get his next fix often leading to particularly violent episodes as the criminal is so desperate. That would also result in significantly more police resource being available.
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Post by bernythedolt on Dec 7, 2021 17:34:40 GMT
So, let me get this straight. A NSPCC employee stood accused of filming porn in his office and all the charity could say was they "won't tolerate bullying of any kind against our people"? At one time, they'd have issued a statement that if such an allegation were substantiated, it would be a serious disciplinary matter. And all that Guardian gobsh*te Owen Jones could write is how it is "sickening" that people had complained... and they must therefore be homophobes! Utter woke BS. That the charity even needs a "Celebrity and Talent Officer" speaks volumes. At least they eventually did the right thing and sacked the pervert. Just a shame the Guardian didn't follow up with a sacking of its own.
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Post by james100 on Dec 7, 2021 17:36:38 GMT
the truth is that 40 years ago, either a liitle old lady would have reported this to the police and the kid removed to a council home where he would be alive but probably very distorted
or
nothing, he would have just died
because we don't know how many kids died unaturally 40 years ago, how many got fiddled with or how many got mangled
now we know
I suspect life is much better as adults are no longer scared by war or religion
adults are now scared by drugs and by lack of family, drug polution needs removal
it is very easy to follow the press and distract our energies in the wrong direction, the problem that needs stamping on is illegal drugs
Yes we should make them all legal to over 18s. That would obviously stop all drug "crime" but also stop a very large number of burglaries/muggings where the perpetrator is desperate to get his next fix often leading to particularly violent episodes as the criminal is so desperate. That would also result in significantly more police resource being available. Don't understand...how would legalizing, say, heroin, reduce the number of burglaries by heroin addicts to raise cash for their next fix?
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Post by registerme on Dec 7, 2021 17:45:03 GMT
At one time, they'd have issued a statement that if such an allegation were substantiated, it would be a serious disciplinary matter. And that's precisely what they should have done from the off. And then immediately sacked him when substantiated (which I am assuming they did). I'm all for equal rights and opportunities for all, regardless of gender, race or sexuality. Defending the indefensible? Nah, not going there. I hope that doesn't make me "woke".
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Post by michaelc on Dec 7, 2021 17:51:58 GMT
Yes we should make them all legal to over 18s. That would obviously stop all drug "crime" but also stop a very large number of burglaries/muggings where the perpetrator is desperate to get his next fix often leading to particularly violent episodes as the criminal is so desperate. That would also result in significantly more police resource being available. Don't understand...how would legalizing, say, heroin, reduce the number of burglaries by heroin addicts to raise cash for their next fix? Because they wouldn't need to raise astronomical sums in order to pay for it. Just would go to the chemist and pay an affordable sum.
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Post by james100 on Dec 7, 2021 17:56:59 GMT
So, let me get this straight. A NSPCC employee stood accused of filming porn in his office and all the charity could say was they "won't tolerate bullying of any kind against our people"? At one time, they'd have issued a statement that if such an allegation were substantiated, it would be a serious disciplinary matter. And all that Guardian gobsh*te Owen Jones could write is how it is "sickening" that people had complained... and they must therefore be homophobes! Utter woke BS. That the charity even needs a "Celebrity and Talent Officer" speaks volumes. At least they eventually did the right thing and sacked the pervert. Just a shame the Guardian didn't follow up with a sacking of its own. It wasn't even an accusation; there were videos online which were clickable. The whole thing was really odd, and the way anyone expressing concern was branded as hateful was absolutely sinister.
Then the "Celebrity and Talent Officer"'s most prominent recruit was also let go, for asking kids online to contact them privately in a fundamental breach of safety guidelines (including NSPCC's own). Anyway, I'll never forget the CEO's name is Mr Wanless after reading a tweet suggesting he should do a staff memo telling employees to Wan*less in the office
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Post by james100 on Dec 7, 2021 20:39:47 GMT
Don't understand...how would legalizing, say, heroin, reduce the number of burglaries by heroin addicts to raise cash for their next fix? Because they wouldn't need to raise astronomical sums in order to pay for it. Just would go to the chemist and pay an affordable sum. Perhaps I'm just being naive but I don't think drugs are expensive here at all - so I can't get my head around harm reduction if it were made cheaper/legal, and besides, the administration risks would be a nightmare. Recreational drug use in London (and elsewhere) is absolutely rampant and accessible already, and I'm not just talking about Westminster!
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Post by Greenwood2 on Dec 7, 2021 20:48:56 GMT
the truth is that 40 years ago, either a liitle old lady would have reported this to the police and the kid removed to a council home where he would be alive but probably very distorted
or
nothing, he would have just died
because we don't know how many kids died unaturally 40 years ago, how many got fiddled with or how many got mangled
now we know
I suspect life is much better as adults are no longer scared by war or religion
adults are now scared by drugs and by lack of family, drug polution needs removal
it is very easy to follow the press and distract our energies in the wrong direction, the problem that needs stamping on is illegal drugs
Yes we should make them all legal to over 18s. That would obviously stop all drug "crime" but also stop a very large number of burglaries/muggings where the perpetrator is desperate to get his next fix often leading to particularly violent episodes as the criminal is so desperate. That would also result in significantly more police resource being available. But then with the mind altering effects of the drugs, even strong weed, what might they do anyway? And then what do we do, keep them supplied with the drugs of their choice for life and presumably also have to house them feed them etc, because they can't hold down a job. With methadone prescriptions it seems addicts get their free doses and then go and buy extra heroin, there is never enough for an addict.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 7, 2021 21:32:29 GMT
the truth is that 40 years ago, either a liitle old lady would have reported this to the police and the kid removed to a council home where he would be alive but probably very distorted
or
nothing, he would have just died
because we don't know how many kids died unaturally 40 years ago, how many got fiddled with or how many got mangled
now we know
I suspect life is much better as adults are no longer scared by war or religion
adults are now scared by drugs and by lack of family, drug polution needs removal
it is very easy to follow the press and distract our energies in the wrong direction, the problem that needs stamping on is illegal drugs
Yes we should make them all legal to over 18s. That would obviously stop all drug "crime" but also stop a very large number of burglaries/muggings where the perpetrator is desperate to get his next fix often leading to particularly violent episodes as the criminal is so desperate. That would also result in significantly more police resource being available. I think there is an arguable point for making class A/B (C) drug taking legal and supplying through "state" controlled/licensed (and taxed) premises, and used to think that was the right option. However, I now think that the idea that would all but eliminate crime on the user side of the equation is a fundamentally flawed one (as much as I would like and perhaps used to think it might be so). I don't believe that the cost of the likes of heroin or crystal meth 'on the street' are particularly high. Users of these are unlikely to be holding down meaningful jobs for too long once addicted. And I doubt it would be politically acceptable to make them both legal and free of charge. Therefore addicts are still likely to be resorting to crime, both to help with everyday living and to directly fund their habit. BTW, you forgot to mention shoplifting, which is I think far and away the 'preference' crime for drug users, not burglary/mugging. Clearly what it would almost certainly do though is remove crime associated with the supply side: by which I don't mean simply the crimes associated with supply (which would still exist but illegal supply would likely be instantly unprofitable), but rather the side effects of that in the shape of assaults/knifings/murders etc which are drug supply/gang related. Whether that would simply morph into other areas of illegal activities is another matter, but it would remove one of the current big domains of criminal activity.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 7, 2021 21:44:55 GMT
Yes we should make them all legal to over 18s. That would obviously stop all drug "crime" but also stop a very large number of burglaries/muggings where the perpetrator is desperate to get his next fix often leading to particularly violent episodes as the criminal is so desperate. That would also result in significantly more police resource being available. But then with the mind altering effects of the drugs, even strong weed, what might they do anyway? And then what do we do, keep them supplied with the drugs of their choice for life and presumably also have to house them feed them etc, because they can't hold down a job. With methadone prescriptions it seems addicts get their free doses and then go and buy extra heroin, there is never enough for an addict.I don't think the latter point is really what is going on there. From what I understand, methadone is not simply a safe/legal like for like substitute for heroin. Its more that it helps with handling the addiction i.e. it helps to moderate heroin withdrawal symptoms. People who take methadone on prescription and then go and take heroin are doing the latter to get the high, either because they are failing in their attempts to get off heroin, or because they are taking part in a methadone subsitution program partly as a condition to avoid something else (like prison etc.). The UKs drug rehabilitation services - and consequent outcomes - are pretty poor compared to a number of others. But then, we have always taken a protestant/puritanical approach to those who have ended up under the scourge of drug addiction.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 13:08:50 GMT
rather than just make up solutions, there is a nice piece of evidence based research which is to look at the Portuguese legal system which shows that the way to go is to treat addiction as a medical issue while taking away the hidden costs of the drugs. Human society is very complicated and trying to out-think it from an armchair is fun but futile.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 8, 2021 13:23:38 GMT
rather than just make up solutions, there is a nice piece of evidence based research which is to look at the Portuguese legal system which shows that the way to go is to treat addiction as a medical issue while taking away the hidden costs of the drugs. Human society is very complicated and trying to out-think it from an armchair is fun but futile. when it comes to illicit drug use, the UK is not very good at looking elsewhere for best practise. But then it is generally coming from a starting point of being rather confused or not knowing what it wants to achieve, other than to 'crack down'. (pun not intended) Agree that addiction needs to be dealt with first and foremost as a medical issue.
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