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Post by moonraker on Mar 13, 2023 18:35:12 GMT
Maybe a charge would be the way to go although I do begrudge £45 every 3 months for a checkup at the dentists, perhaps it would stop some of the GP consultations by patients basically wanting Paracetamol etc that a) should not be prescribed anyway and b) are available via minor ailments at the pharmacy My local pharmacy is very small, always very busy and quite often lagging when it comes to making up prescriptions. The only private spot is the size of a cupboard where one touches knees with the other occupant. There are two other pharmacies about 20 minutes' walk away that seem far less busy, but I can't recall any private areas in either. Not that I mind explaining some minor ailments in front of an interested/disinterested audience of other customers, but no-one would appreciate my removing a sock to show a fungal infection, say. (Other examples might come to mind ...)
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Post by Greenwood2 on Mar 13, 2023 18:42:29 GMT
It is completely different. 99% of people use NHS GPs and so the vast majority of practices are NHS. If paying to see the GP was the norm (as it is to see a dentist) then most all of the surgeries would be private and likely offer same day. I followed your BUPA link above. The nearest appointment to me is 45 minutes drive away and is on Friday. Today is Monday. In Kyiv, I could likely see a doctor same day or next day within walking distance of my apartment. A short metro or taxi drive away if I wanted to see a particular specialist in a hospital. So for example, if I had a suspect lump I could either go to a general doctor likely within a few hours or wait a day or two and go directly to see an oncologist within a day or two. Tests the day after or if a "procedure" required perhaps the next week....(a bit tougher now though as a lot of soldiers in hospital) The prices are not crazy (either to me or locals who are in work) because there are far more doctors than here and they don't expect a ridiculous salary after their training and period in junior doctorship as they do here (consultants and GPs) And that is Ukraine - a 2nd world country at war. I don't quite understand it, presumably in countries like Ukraine Doctors are paid less, I would have thought Doctors would move to better paid countries? Or is their pay giving a really good living in Ukraine. If so is treatment still cheap/available for poor people in Ukraine? Government sponsored? Just asking!
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 13, 2023 19:09:01 GMT
I followed your BUPA link above. The nearest appointment to me is 45 minutes drive away and is on Friday. Today is Monday. In Kyiv, I could likely see a doctor same day or next day within walking distance of my apartment. A short metro or taxi drive away if I wanted to see a particular specialist in a hospital. I just did a quick search for local private GP. There is one just up the road in the affluent town with a racecourse: earliest appointment is Thursday morning. (not BUPA)
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Post by keitha on Mar 13, 2023 19:59:29 GMT
I followed your BUPA link above. The nearest appointment to me is 45 minutes drive away and is on Friday. Today is Monday. In Kyiv, I could likely see a doctor same day or next day within walking distance of my apartment. A short metro or taxi drive away if I wanted to see a particular specialist in a hospital. I just did a quick search for local private GP. There is one just up the road in the affluent town with a racecourse: earliest appointment is Thursday morning. (not BUPA) for me well over an hour and in Bristol
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Post by michaelc on Mar 13, 2023 20:29:18 GMT
It is completely different. 99% of people use NHS GPs and so the vast majority of practices are NHS. If paying to see the GP was the norm (as it is to see a dentist) then most all of the surgeries would be private and likely offer same day. I followed your BUPA link above. The nearest appointment to me is 45 minutes drive away and is on Friday. Today is Monday. In Kyiv, I could likely see a doctor same day or next day within walking distance of my apartment. A short metro or taxi drive away if I wanted to see a particular specialist in a hospital. So for example, if I had a suspect lump I could either go to a general doctor likely within a few hours or wait a day or two and go directly to see an oncologist within a day or two. Tests the day after or if a "procedure" required perhaps the next week....(a bit tougher now though as a lot of soldiers in hospital) The prices are not crazy (either to me or locals who are in work) because there are far more doctors than here and they don't expect a ridiculous salary after their training and period in junior doctorship as they do here (consultants and GPs) And that is Ukraine - a 2nd world country at war. I don't quite understand it, presumably in countries like Ukraine Doctors are paid less, I would have thought Doctors would move to better paid countries? Or is their pay giving a really good living in Ukraine. If so is treatment still cheap/available for poor people in Ukraine? Government sponsored? Just asking! Giving a reasonable living I would say and maybe there is a brain drain I don't know. Salaries are definitely lower than here not only in absolute terms but relatively too - there is more supply. I know in my own case I would not be motivated by money to move countries. Most people can afford it but not long term unemployed. The safety net is pretty poor. I'm not suggesting its an ideal system only that for most people and most run of the mill illnesses, the treatment there is IMO superior. Our NHS is still I believe vastly superior when it comes to pioneering and particularly difficult cases etc.
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Post by moonraker on Mar 14, 2023 16:34:19 GMT
Just returned from my latest visit to the local big hospital. About 40 placard-bearing youngsters (presumably junior doctors) outside the main entrance, lots of horn-sounding from passing motorists (and just up the road half-a-dozen NHS-uniformed employees smoking). I was seen by a jolly sonologist five minutes early, concluding with a blood-pressure test that showed a surprise "normal" reading. The hospital seemed as busy as ever.
But last night I did wince at TV coverage of junior doctors elsewhere laughing and joking outside a hospital. Had I been waiting a long time for an op, only for it to have been cancelled, I don't think I would have been very pleased.
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Post by travolta on Mar 14, 2023 16:36:30 GMT
Nobody MADE them become JHDs.
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 15, 2023 1:57:00 GMT
Nobody MADE them become JHDs. Builders, plumbers, gas fitters.... being on the tools is where the money's made nowadays. Look for the poshest drum in the street - probably a builder or a doctor. As a junior doctor, you'll earn much like the rest of us in year one, but stick it out and you'll start raking in those gas fitter wages in the future. Forget what you heard at school - a top-end brain no longer equates to a top-end salary, not in the UK, not for years now. I remember reading many years ago the first-hand story of a Cambridge scientist/microbiologist(?), absolutely eminent in his field and believed to be on the cusp on developing some life-saving treatment or other for the benefit of all mankind. He took the day off work to supervise a gas service at home. He got chatting to the fitter, with the kind of master/servant mindset of old, feeling almost a little guilty about the likely wage disparity between the two of them, one working with his hands, the other highly paid for his incomparable world-class brain... or so he thought... and was astonished to learn that the gas fitter wouldn't get out of bed for the scientist's salary! He was earning megabucks more. This eminent scientist struggled hard with the ethics, but had a family to bring up, so he ditched the indispensable research post, sailed through his retraining as a gas engineer and achieved proper financial security for his family. Salutary lesson... and mankind's great loss. We do not reward brains here, so probably best not to study medicine for the money unless you're up for the long haul.
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Post by moonraker on Mar 15, 2023 7:55:40 GMT
Just returned from my latest visit to the local big hospital. About 40 placard-bearing youngsters (presumably junior doctors) outside the main entrance, lots of horn-sounding from passing motorists (and just up the road half-a-dozen NHS-uniformed employees smoking). I was seen by a jolly sonologist five minutes early, concluding with a blood-pressure test that showed a surprise "normal" reading. The hospital seemed as busy as ever.
At 1700 last night,three hours after my scan had been concluded,I had a follow-up letter by email, the results having been reviewed by a consultant.
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Post by travolta on Mar 15, 2023 16:28:22 GMT
Nobody MADE them become JHDs. Builders, plumbers, gas fitters.... being on the tools is where the money's made nowadays. Look for the poshest drum in the street - probably a builder or a doctor. As a junior doctor, you'll earn much like the rest of us in year one, but stick it out and you'll start raking in those gas fitter wages in the future. Forget what you heard at school - a top-end brain no longer equates to a top-end salary, not in the UK, not for years now. I remember reading many years ago the first-hand story of a Cambridge scientist/microbiologist(?), absolutely eminent in his field and believed to be on the cusp on developing some life-saving treatment or other for the benefit of all mankind. He took the day off work to supervise a gas service at home. He got chatting to the fitter, with the kind of master/servant mindset of old, feeling almost a little guilty about the likely wage disparity between the two of them, one working with his hands, the other highly paid for his incomparable world-class brain... or so he thought... and was astonished to learn that the gas fitter wouldn't get out of bed for the scientist's salary! He was earning megabucks more. This eminent scientist struggled hard with the ethics, but had a family to bring up, so he ditched the indispensable research post, sailed through his retraining as a gas engineer and achieved proper financial security for his family. Salutary lesson... and mankind's great loss. We do not reward brains here, so probably best not to study medicine for the money unless you're up for the long haul. The thing about education tho' ,is that it enables you to realise choice ....in my experience: We need less doctors and more plumbers. Once you agree to be ill you are as good as dead anyway.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 16, 2023 7:25:22 GMT
Nobody MADE them become JHDs. Builders, plumbers, gas fitters.... being on the tools is where the money's made nowadays. Look for the poshest drum in the street - probably a builder or a doctor. As a junior doctor, you'll earn much like the rest of us in year one, but stick it out and you'll start raking in those gas fitter wages in the future. Forget what you heard at school - a top-end brain no longer equates to a top-end salary, not in the UK, not for years now. I remember reading many years ago the first-hand story of a Cambridge scientist/microbiologist(?), absolutely eminent in his field and believed to be on the cusp on developing some life-saving treatment or other for the benefit of all mankind. He took the day off work to supervise a gas service at home. He got chatting to the fitter, with the kind of master/servant mindset of old, feeling almost a little guilty about the likely wage disparity between the two of them, one working with his hands, the other highly paid for his incomparable world-class brain... or so he thought... and was astonished to learn that the gas fitter wouldn't get out of bed for the scientist's salary! He was earning megabucks more. This eminent scientist struggled hard with the ethics, but had a family to bring up, so he ditched the indispensable research post, sailed through his retraining as a gas engineer and achieved proper financial security for his family. Salutary lesson... and mankind's great loss. We do not reward brains here, so probably best not to study medicine for the money unless you're up for the long haul. I believe this may have become an established trope a few decades ago, thanks to the sociological research of one H. Enfield.
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Post by agent69 on Mar 16, 2023 10:26:17 GMT
I believe this may have become an established trope a few decades ago, thanks to the sociological research of one H. Enfield. I think most would more readily associate with his mate 'Buggerallmoney'
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