mogish
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Post by mogish on Jan 12, 2022 11:37:52 GMT
I never visit my gp much but have had knee pain for months now so decided to make an appointment. My surgery works on the following basis.
5 choice menu then in hold for 10mins Gets answered by receptionist to be told... Appointments full today. Call back tomorrow. Cant I make an appointment? No call back tomorrow. But if I make an appointment surely the gp can manage workload. No you might be called by a triage nurse. Ok, seems a long winded way of operating, but ok will call back tomorrow.
How the hell can anyone who works ever manage to (eventually) see a gp? Is this normal practice in other areas of the UK? Just checked BHF site, apparently if you have heart attack symptoms call NHS 111 . What a way to run a service. Surely something has to change . Will the 1.5% tax rise in April make any difference?
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Post by adrianc on Jan 12, 2022 11:44:01 GMT
If you call 111, and they determine you need a priority appt at the surgery (GP or nurse or whoever), they'll book it directly for you.
Last time I needed to do this, I was sat in front of the GP within the hour. OK, pre-pandemic, but still...
We really need to get to the mindset where 111 is the default first port of call - they'll direct you to the right place: pharmacy/surgery/A&E/undertaker.
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Post by james100 on Jan 12, 2022 11:55:53 GMT
Will the 1.5% tax rise in April make any difference?
No, I don't think so. Covid running out of steam will make a difference though (either through vax programme administration ceasing or level of sickness decreasing or both). And rightly or wrongly, unless you're very rural, you can probably see a GP tomorrow at your local private hospital for half an hour if you're willing to fork out 100 quid or thereabouts. I'm currently going through a financial planning process for early retirement and realized that comprehensive private health insurance falls under my "basic necessities" column. Not knocking the NHS; just being realistic.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 12, 2022 12:00:41 GMT
I never visit my gp much but have had knee pain for months now so decided to make an appointment. My surgery works on the following basis. 5 choice menu then in hold for 10mins Gets answered by receptionist to be told... Appointments full today. Call back tomorrow. Cant I make an appointment? No call back tomorrow. But if I make an appointment surely the gp can manage workload. No you might be called by a triage nurse. Ok, seems a long winded way of operating, but ok will call back tomorrow. How the hell can anyone who works ever manage to (eventually) see a gp? Is this normal practice in other areas of the UK? Just checked BHF site, apparently if you have heart attack symptoms call NHS 111 . What a way to run a service. Surely something has to change . Will the 1.5% tax rise in April make any difference? Quite standard now, that's how mine operates too. You still might not see a GP face to face - often the appointment is for one to telephone you to discuss. Our NHS is broken and throwing shedloads of money at it every year isn't working. Incidentally, I find turmeric capsules really help my hip pain, so might be worth a try for knees too. I was told by a consultant surgeon over 10 years ago that I needed new hips, but a small amount of turmeric has instead been sufficient for all that time. Nothing to lose by trying.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 12, 2022 12:11:04 GMT
Will the 1.5% tax rise in April make any difference? No, I don't think so. Covid running out of steam will make a difference though (either through vax programme administration ceasing or level of sickness decreasing or both). And rightly or wrongly, unless you're very rural, you can probably see a GP tomorrow at your local private hospital for half an hour if you're willing to fork out 100 quid or thereabouts. I'm currently going through a financial planning process for early retirement and realized that comprehensive private health insurance falls under my "basic necessities" column. Not knocking the NHS; just being realistic. Be aware as part of this financial planning that your premiums will rise at an alarming rate as you get older. Just at the time you are likely to need to call upon it, your premiums have become crippling, while your income has decreased. That's more or less the point I've reached and I'm seriously considering having to give it up now that premiums are becoming silly money. Factor in what you think might happen to premiums... then add a bit more!
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Post by ptr120 on Jan 12, 2022 12:11:24 GMT
If they operate where you live, try Babylon. They are NHS doctors but online (I believe they also see patients privately). I used them when I used to live in London and could usually 'see' a doctor the same day or next.
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mogish
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Post by mogish on Jan 12, 2022 12:16:39 GMT
Might give the turmeric a try, like you say nothing to lose.
Realistically, I agree , NHS is broken and the best bet is to make provision for future care independently.
It just annoys me that we have all paid(and still paying) thousands a year and when we need help it feels like jumping through hoops to get service.
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Post by keitha on Jan 12, 2022 12:16:52 GMT
I never visit my gp much but have had knee pain for months now so decided to make an appointment. My surgery works on the following basis. 5 choice menu then in hold for 10mins Gets answered by receptionist to be told... Appointments full today. Call back tomorrow. Cant I make an appointment? No call back tomorrow. But if I make an appointment surely the gp can manage workload. No you might be called by a triage nurse. Ok, seems a long winded way of operating, but ok will call back tomorrow. How the hell can anyone who works ever manage to (eventually) see a gp? Is this normal practice in other areas of the UK? Just checked BHF site, apparently if you have heart attack symptoms call NHS 111 . What a way to run a service. Surely something has to change . Will the 1.5% tax rise in April make any difference? the 1.5% will vanish into admin ( IMHO) similar here except the 10 minute wait is almost invariably 35-40, last time I rang, I was told I needed to get through by 9 to get an appointment, I tried to point out that when the wait is an hour it is almost impossible and the lines don't open until8 , but it's a total non understanding attitude from them. The statistics on the wall show that the GPs are seeing 4 patients each per day ( based on a 5 day week ), and are doing about 12 telephone consultations. IMHO this is far less than was normal before Covid, and is part of the reason A&E departments are overwhelmed, patients are fed up of being told to call back tomorrow, and in desperation they go to the hospital, for things that the GP should be doing. When I went to collect a prescription I had to queue for nearly 30 minutes in the rain
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Post by jlend on Jan 12, 2022 12:23:11 GMT
At our surgery the best option is to physically go to the surgery just before they open so you are first in line for any appointments they might have free that day rather than waiting in a phone queue. They seem to generally prioritise early walk ins if you are polite based on my experience at our surgery.
Also our surgery reception does do basic triage so last time i went i was seen by a phsio minutes after i turned up and then a doctor minutes after that (herniated a disc again by the look of things). Far quicker than going to A and E or an Urgent Care centre in my experience.
Our surgery has a permanent physio, you might find yours does and could look at your knee, possibly even more knowledgeable than the GP in some cases.
There is also an eConsult feature at our GP where you enter your condition and the GP will then review, although i have never used myself.
I don't bother phoning anymore if i can help it.
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Post by keitha on Jan 12, 2022 12:38:31 GMT
If you call 111, and they determine you need a priority appt at the surgery (GP or nurse or whoever), they'll book it directly for you. Last time I needed to do this, I was sat in front of the GP within the hour. OK, pre-pandemic, but still... We really need to get to the mindset where 111 is the default first port of call - they'll direct you to the right place: pharmacy/surgery/A&E/undertaker. unfortunately with 111 we have people that know which words to use to get priority, this means they are categorised above the Elderly lady laid in the street with a broken hip etc. what is worse is that the paramedics etc will know the "frequent flyers" but they still have to attend. I remember reading about 1 crew who having been called to "a heart attack" ascertained that the patient had indigestion which they explained, as they left they actually heard the patient back on 999 demanding an ambulance because he was "having a heart attack" I also believe the rules say if someone calls 111 more than 3 times in a set period they should be called by their GP within 1 hour ( I assume 111 "pings" the GP ) from London Ambulance service website :- Last year we managed 1,622 frequent callers, who generated 49,534 incidents, utilising 3,028 12-hour ambulance shifts.
On average, frequent callers cost us £4.4million a year, and cost the wider NHS around £18.8million. my take on this is 49500 incidents uses 3000 ambulance shifts is an understatement. it means each call takes under 45 minutes. given most ambulances are double crewed that's 20 minutes, 4.4 million over these 1,622 people means they are costing the NHS £2700 each in Ambulance service time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 12:39:09 GMT
I go online, book an appointment, ehm that's it.
When you say calling, are you still using a phone?
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Post by keitha on Jan 12, 2022 12:44:04 GMT
I go online, book an appointment, ehm that's it.
When you say calling, are you still using a phone?
Yes have to use a phone, they have " turned the online system off"
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Post by adrianc on Jan 12, 2022 12:53:52 GMT
If you call 111, and they determine you need a priority appt at the surgery (GP or nurse or whoever), they'll book it directly for you. Last time I needed to do this, I was sat in front of the GP within the hour. OK, pre-pandemic, but still... We really need to get to the mindset where 111 is the default first port of call - they'll direct you to the right place: pharmacy/surgery/A&E/undertaker. unfortunately with 111 we have people that know which words to use to get priority, this means they are categorised above the Elderly lady laid in the street with a broken hip etc. You're going to get that with the GP receptionist, too.
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Post by mogish on Jan 12, 2022 12:55:38 GMT
I go online, book an appointment, ehm that's it.
When you say calling, are you still using a phone?
Yes have to use a phone, they have " turned the online system off" Likewise.... online only for repeat prescriptions. All other features are disabled.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:21:21 GMT
ah they must be doing triage, makes sense
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